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Mortimer Snerd said:
Are they?

Lowry is going to get an interview. That may be just a courtesy - or not. I haven't heard a word about the rest.
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It is expected Lowry will decline the interview as per Murat.

If you listen to Adam's press conference it was an awkward situation with his dad as the coach that impacted their off ice relationship. I'd peg zero chance that Adam wants his dad back as his coach or that Dave would want to be his coach going forward.
 
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Mortimer Snerd said:
Are they?

Lowry is going to get an interview. That may be just a courtesy - or not. I haven't heard a word about the rest.
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not sure… but one word is Lowry will decline said interview. The whole thing just rings hollow and is a waste of time. Seriously, Lowry had an on the job interview for half a season. What could he possibly say to Chevy that would get him the HC position?
 
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surixon said:
It is expected Lowry will decline the interview as per Murat.

If you listen to Adam's press conference it was an awkward situation with his dad as the coach that impacted their off ice relationship. I'd peg zero chance that Adam wants his dad back as his coach or that Dave would want to be his coach going forward.
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I dont think that should matter that much. Lowry shouldn't get the job because he was a really bad head coach, not because it's an awkward situation for who should be our #4C.
 
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Guerzy said:
Good points. Not at all out of the realm of possibility imo if he has indeed already requested a trade. It is quite possible that over the last 2-3 years he has asked out and has not gotten his wish. While this has taken time to spill over, his play has absolutely spiraled downward the last handful of seasons. Something has just been 'off' for a very long time. So much so that some here were questioning his mental health.

I think the hardest part for many fans to accept is we have seen Mark display fantastic defensive play and effort. And then just like that... it went away as if he just didn't give a shit anymore. To see this all happen to a young player who literally prides himself as a "student of the game"... make it make sense, because none of it does from the outside looking in.
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Its a possibility for sure but Scheifele is a assistant captain making 6 million a year you don't just halfass your play to try and get traded . He's just making it harder to get traded because less teams would give Chevy what he would want back in a trade.
 
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Jetfaninflorida said:
My impression of Scheifele's interview is that it was an 'all about me' interview. He threw in one statement about loving Winnipeg but the rest of it was about him individually. I didn't get much 'team first' from it. He is still under contract, but he is talking to his agent and needs to understand the direction of his team, blah blah blah. WTF? The guy strikes me as an entitled prima donna, which might explain his (lack of defensive) effort since late 2018. If you can get a decent return, turn the page and send him packing.

BTW, you can draw a straight line between <Mark's two way game (lack of) effort> and Paul Maurice <I don't coach a half a dozen guys>.
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Agree totally. Trade him. Addition by subtraction!
 
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bennylundholm said:
You'd hope Scheifele is motivated by PLD and vice versa to center two dynamic lines. Almost seems like 55 is pissed that PLD is getting alot of praise.
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Mark Scheifele has no one but himself to blame for his below market salary. I wonder if he resents Wheeler raking in $2M than he does and that Pierre Luc Dubois will be the most well paid Jets ever.
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Mortimer Snerd said:
Are they?

Lowry is going to get an interview. That may be just a courtesy - or not. I haven't heard a word about the rest.
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Dave Lowry is a ho-hum HC lacking public passion. I hope Chevy doesn’t resign him.
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slurpee adict said:
Agree totally. Trade him. Addition by subtraction!
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Sheif needs a change of scenery.
 
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surixon said:
It is expected Lowry will decline the interview as per Murat.

If you listen to Adam's press conference it was an awkward situation with his dad as the coach that impacted their off ice relationship. I'd peg zero chance that Adam wants his dad back as his coach or that Dave would want to be his coach going forward.
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The fact chevy even hired him as an assistant is as amateur as it gets .. I posted about how awkward it must of been for Adam and Dave a while back
 
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Can't wait to see the Rangers have Trouba, Copp, and Scheifele next year. Mostly kidding but wouldn't that be a sight.
 
ps241 said:
If you were reading them as transcripts without any context then yes I agree with you. However, its all about context IMO.

Mark is under contract for two more seasons and he is speaking like he is a pending free agent or something. Mark is signaling he wants out IMO.

PLD doesn't have a contract yet next season. It makes sense to me that PLD is taking stock of whether he wants to commit long term to an organization that doesn't appear to hold leader like Scheifele accountable.

My 2 cents
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That was very awkward. :laugh:
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so basically ur saying pld s play this season(I will take with a grain of salt) is or can be solely attributed to the fact that he is playing up for a new contract, whether its here or somewhere else....well we all know how that has worked out in some cases.....
 
Guerzy said:
I still can't believe the fall from grace Scheifeme has taken here. It's pretty incredible, really. I always envisioned him wearing the C, never playing for another team, having his 55 one day raised to the rafters, being a true life-long Winnipeg Jet, and if we were ever going to win a Stanley Cup it would be on his back. Personally as a Jets fan, today, I can't wait to see his selfish self-absorbed ass walk out the door. I hope this was the last we see of him as part of this organization. Unless he can do a complete 180 and pull his head directly out of his ass, but that's a tall order and ask at this point and I think the damage has been done here and it is beyond repair with him as a Winnipeg Jet in that locker room. I think he has done too much of a disservice to his teammates, especially as a someone carrying so much responsibility and role with the team.

For so long this board has voiced what they thought was going on, what was being watched on the ice, and so much of it seems so damn accurate now. The observations made in re; to 55 have been echoed here for years, and in typical TNSE/Chevy fashion, it literally came to a head this week and blew up in their faces. Chevy can downplay this all he wants, the reactions from these players were not made on an emotional whim. They were made with composure, grace and frustration stemming from weeks, months and years of this all going sideways and sinking. They were made methodically and with purpose. It's ugly and laughable that this was able to fester and reach this point.

I still think this roster was a near perfect mix to contend this season. But after seeing and hearing what we have from the players, it's no wonder this never came together. This thing was doomed from the beginning. So much seems clear now from the outside looking in after hearing players speak the last couple of weeks and after the season ending game. Sure we don't know exactly, factually speaking, but it seems pretty clear to piece this puzzle together unless you're incredibly naive.

I am not sure when this organization will learn how to deal with team-related issues, but their track record of being proactive is down right abysmal and I sure hope collectively this can be a wake up call, though I have my doubts there. There is patient and methodical, yes, but then there is incompetence with the inability to act and lead for the betterment of the organization.

Truthfully, it should have never got to this point. And that is 100% on Chipman/Chevy. The two very men at the top. Their inability to manage this team and organization allowed a head coach to stay on board way beyond his expiration date, players clearly became disgruntled with systems, or a lack there of, players were not held accountable, the list just goes on. Maybe they have tried to correct the issues, surely they have, but nothing on the ice indicated that and from each player we have heard from there is absolutely no indication this was handled properly at any point along the way.

This whole thing just stinks.
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chevy is the gm who brought in pomo and said on HNIC that pomo was his man for coach before his latest extension.......and now this same individual is now expected to lead the team from the abyss....really, i hope so as i am a fan but seriously have doubts
 
rkp said:
so basically ur saying pld s play this season(I will take with a grain of salt) is or can be solely attributed to the fact that he is playing up for a new contract, whether its here or somewhere else....well we all know how that has worked out in some cases.....
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I don't think that is at all what he's saying. He's saying Dubois is at a point where he has arb rights which give him leverage and options. He can use his leverage to either get a short term deal and take him a step closer to UFA or he can sign a lucrative long or mid term contract here.

Dubois has merely returned to the player he was the two prior years in Columbus so no playing for a contract imo. He just bit back to what he was prior to last year. Hopefully he signs long term and takes a step forward form that.
 
WiscoJet said:
Can't wait to see the Rangers have Trouba, Copp, and Scheifele next year. Mostly kidding but wouldn't that be a sight.
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I was scanning the Rangers roster for possible Scheifele trade options and I think the Rangers are going to have some cap issues next year. They will have a hard time finding money to retain Copp.
 
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Mortimer Snerd said:
I repeat, he scored 60 pts in 65 games. If we retain 3-4 mil we will have a lineup at the door trying to get him.

The talk about Wheeler's lack of value here has escalated to a point where it is completely over the top.
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By saying that we need to retain salary, you are describing negative trade value. We have to pay someone to take him - we are paying for him to play against us.
 
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