tbcwpg
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On a decent playoff team he'd have trouble keeping a consistent lineup spot.
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On a decent playoff team he'd have trouble keeping a consistent lineup spot.
Maybe a new coaching staff and system will right Scheifele's game.
Maybe finding a stalwart forward to shelter his D deficiencies is what is needed.
Or both.
Main concern HAS to be the 2 years remaining on his contract (and Hellebucyk). This has to be addressed this summer. If neither are interested in being here then Chevy has no choice but to blow it up.
Maybe finding a stalwart forward to shelter his D deficiencies is what is needed.
Or both.
Main concern HAS to be the 2 years remaining on his contract (and Hellebucyk). This has to be addressed this summer. If neither are interested in being here then Chevy has no choice but to blow it up.
tbcwpg
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I don't think just putting a defensive forward on a line ever really works. It hurts offensive production and one forward can't cover 2 other forwards doing nothing.
I also disagree that you blow it up now if Scheifele and Hellebuyck don't plan on re-signing after 2 years. Next summer is the blow up point if next season isn't successful.
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I think your 1st statement is especially true when it's the center who is blowing off his defensive responsibilities. And it's not just that. He no longer wins puck battles anywhere on the ice with any regularity. He breaks off any coverage assuming someone else will get him the puck. We all know there are huge underlying issues on this team . While we can only guess the issues, I suspect it all centers around 55.
First and foremost, if he does not get his head / heart back in the game then no one on his line can fix that. Maybe a new coaching staff is all that is needed. I have my doubts.
As for waiting a year, I disagree. The franchise has already wasted 2 years of what seemed to be one of the top cores in the league. Can the team take another season to see if they can right the ship? That is another season closer to losing Connor and Ehlers and Morrissey as well.
Scheifele and Hellbucyk will be worth a TON this summer. 2 years remaining on elite players (albeit for Scheifele it is with the knowledge he is rather one dimensional) on great contracts.
Jetsfan79
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If they do blow it up (don't think it's likely), it would be interesting how Chevy explains going from "I believe in these players " (what he said at the TD) to " its time to change direction "
I disagree, although there would be other factors. Guys like Chandler Stephenson and Ryan Hartman have seen an explosion in their numbers when lined up with some high end guys and haven’t dragged their line down. Now maybe that wouldn’t be the case with 55 if the effort isn’t there. But it’s worth a shot.
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Makes sense - except that that was then and this is now. That was all prior to him having experienced this season. It is necessary for Chevy to have decided to change directions based on this season, at least a small change. If the new coach hire reinforces the
Something we don't know is how much Chevy was influenced by Maurice. The new coach hire may give us a clue about that.
We need change. If Chevy hasn't figured that out, then Chevy will have to go too. Whether or not he makes the right changes, or successful changes is another story.
Thanks for posting. I always value your insights on this board, even if I sometimes disagree. Keep at it.
(This is honestly sincere even if it seems to be at a random, as the kids say, time.)
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That comparison to Little doesn't come anywhere close to standing up.
Little's 2 best season came in his D+8 and D+9 seasons. PLD has already matched the 2nd best of those and is just a hair short of also matching the best of them. Little's career ppg was .618. PLD's is .664, despite being dragged down by last season for reasons we are all familiar with. Not to mention that they are 2 very different styles of player. PLD brings a lot of value that doesn't show up directly in his counting stats.
cbcwpg
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Chef done for the season... maybe done for good as a Jet... we will see in the summer.
At least it seems Cole is pretty close and will be able train fully this summer.
I guess we shall see what happens with Mark.
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I don't believe we have any legitimate indication that either of them wants out. That doesn't mean they don't, but I think it means we shouldn't be speculating about it so much.
Maybe a new coaching staff can turn him around - if we get the right coaching staff.
I don't like the idea of finding a winger to take over his defensive responsibilities. I'd rather move him to wing.
Or both.
Another way of looking at the contracts of those 2 might be to ask yourself which of them you would like to give the next contract too?
Even with his flaws it is probably going to cost a lot of both term and money to re-sign Scheifele if he keeps exceeding a ppg scoring pace. Probably a bad contract, especially if there is an attitude problem of some kind, as we have speculated here. OTOH, after 1 more years of above avg, but well short of Vezina level play Helle can probably be signed for a reasonable next contract extension that he will be more likely to earn - if the new coach stops overworking him so badly.
If they either play much better or much worse between now and next contract time, that all changes.
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Not that hard. I believed in them. They didn't come through. I don't believe in them anymore.
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Schmidt out?
Stanley still in but with Pionk?
Dillon on the right side with Samberg?
Svechnikov still buried.
What the H-E-double hockey sticks is up with Interim HC Dave Lowry and his lineups. Didn't/doesn't Svechnikov have some chemistry with Dubois and Connor? Harkins playing up on the so-called second line has me scratching my head. This season can't end fast enough and Lowry and the rest of the coaches should be shown the door. (Hey Dave, Don't let the door hit you on the way out.)
Jetsfan79
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there have been examples of team getting rid of their top-6 Cs (or losing them in UFA) and still performing fine thereafter. barring one coming back in a trade, unfortunately this team has only been able to draft+develop a whopping 1 top-6 calibre C through 11 years, so i don't know if internally someone can step into a top-6 C role and perform at a high-level. Truthfully, PLD is probably closer to a 2C in terms of offensive production, and his defensive game isn't enough to imo to make up for the lack of scoring... so we probably need a stronger C than him to compete with the likes of COL, STL, MIN for instance, imo.
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There are many camps on Schiefele.
My grounding assumption is I don’t see him being here on his next contract. With that out of the way I would be curious to see how he responds to a full coaching change. Travelling and getting a break from all the Jets failure drama has tempered my viewpoint.
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There have been fan board discussion but I don't think any real rumors.
For the record, I discussed with Devils fans a deal of Hellebucyk for their unprotected 1st, blackwood and rw prospect stillman
tbcwpg
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Hope your discussion was about how that's a pretty bad return. Don't want to clutter the Scheifele thread with Hellebuyck trade talk, but yikes.
