Or you just don’t put the weight on the F1 WINGER for a line being poor defensively. Connor‘s job was to be first in on the forecheck and subsequently ends up being the last one back in the zone. It’s always “the center is the most important position on the line because he has the defensive responsibility and control of the middle of the ice”. Except in Connor’s case for whatever reason. These “advanced stat experts” can’t relate the spread sheet to the ice. The fools who put this information out just say “the results are the results” and the marks jump on board.
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I believe many have backed up why his results are good with examples.
Why Perfetti has solid results so far:
-He reads the play at a high level without the puck and his IQ allows him to time things correctly. He is very good at disrupting the flow of the opposition by being in the right spots at the right times. That has been seen in numerous games.
-He opens up very well to receive the breakout pass in his end. When he gets the puck in his end he makes smart decisions with it which allows the team to get out with control. I.e he doesn't turn it over like moat of our other forwards and as such spend less time in our end due to that.
As he gets stronger he will do even better at disrupting and winning pucks in our end. That coupled with strong fundamental positioning, timing and strong puck management should make him a good and responsible defensibe player.
Pefetti has 7 career NHL points.
Can you guys like not oversell him at this juncture? Good lord... you make him like he's the second coming of Marko Dano or Nic Petan.
Can you guys like not oversell him at this juncture? Good lord... you make him like he's the second coming of Marko Dano or Nic Petan.
Not sure if seriousPefetti has 7 career NHL points.
Can you guys like not oversell him at this juncture? Good lord... you make him like he's the second coming of Marko Dano or Nic Petan.
Hey, feel free to heap praise on an unproven prospect. It's completely premature at this point.Not sure if serious
Perfetti is a much, much better and higher-regarded prospect (not just here but throughout the rest of the league, too) than either Petan or Dano ever were. We’ve had other prospects overhyped around here too (Niku, for example) but again, Perfetti is a much better prospect. Higher draft pick, had a letter on the Canadian junior team, etc.Hey, feel free to heap praise on an unproven prospect. It's completely premature at this point.
He was able to play in the AHL earlier than normal due to COVID and after a period of adjusting, was able to succeed. He has shown glimpses of what he can bring in the NHL too and the points were beginning to come before he got injured.
I’ll admit that I have only glossed over this thread but I don’t think anyone is appointing him as the #1C, just that he has the potential to be a C in the NHL and the organization has already referred to playing him there.
He’s looking like a damn good prospect and there’s reason to be optimistic. Perfetti isn’t even remotely comparable to Dano or Petan.
Yes, he's a highly regarded prospect - no argument there. I just think it's premature to slot him into a 2C spot and expect better overall play over Schiefele.
He's still in the highly regard prospect stage, not a proven NHL commodity. The conversation here didn't seem to reflect that reality.
People posting as if he's some defensive messiah at C bc he had an ok 18 games of nhl wing. It's prospect over-hype that we see all to often.
I undestand the vitriol for Mark around here. Yes, some of it is very deserved. However, he is still a very special player and is a C.
Here is some food for thought. 2013/2014 Ovi is -35 and the Caps missed the playoffs. Defense does not exist in his game. For those who got to seem him play live down at MTS during this point in his career he barely came back into the d zone. He was 28 years old turning 29.
Certainly Mark is not Ovi, however Mark's d game never has sunk to a level that low. Not as in +/- just how poor Ovi was in team D and absolutely disinterested in even coming back over the blueline.
Mark is 29.
Give this guy time under a new coach/system and let's see what happens.
Pile on me. It's fine. I'll show my way out now.
Here is some food for thought. 2013/2014 Ovi is -35 and the Caps missed the playoffs. Defense does not exist in his game. For those who got to seem him play live down at MTS during this point in his career he barely came back into the d zone. He was 28 years old turning 29.
Certainly Mark is not Ovi, however Mark's d game never has sunk to a level that low. Not as in +/- just how poor Ovi was in team D and absolutely disinterested in even coming back over the blueline.
Mark is 29.
Give this guy time under a new coach/system and let's see what happens.
Pile on me. It's fine. I'll show my way out now.
If he played with the level and effort and battle he did tonight consistiently he'd be more then welcome on any team. He seemed to be having fun out there tonight and it showed. The team needs to figure out what was bothering him and figure our a way to get tonight's version consistiently.
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I still would be disappointed if the Jets traded him. It's conceivable that Mark Scheifele could rebound to an 80 or 90 point player with different coaching. You can't put those expectations on anyone else on the team, other than Kyle Connor, and to a lesser extent PLD. I don't think Cole Perfetti has the tools to be as dominant as the Scheif, at least not yet, as he is going through the growing pains of being physically mature enough for the league, like Scheifele did in his early years.
This Jets team sunk like a battleship after he was suspended for the Evans hit, and have never won more than a single playoff game out of 7 in his absence.
He also had the courage to say that the league doesn't want the Jets to win, which I think is true, and maybe that's something that he is considering as his time with Winnipeg becomes more uncertain. I'll be cheering on #55 if he is back in a Jets uniform next season.
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I think it starts with the question to Mark of does he want out.
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I agree with you. He is the Jets' most talented offensive player. And, as you say, a center. His deficiencies are in areas that a good coach and a coherent coaching system could conceivably fix: defensive effort and defensive positioning.
Sure, I considered that he's been pissed off about settling for his measly contract for years and perhaps he wants out. He's doing enough offensively to still demand big bucks, but his defensive effort almost suggests that he's asking for a trade out. Perhaps that's just us over-thinking things.
Tear down the entire coaching staff - each and every one of them. Pay whatever you need to bring in the best possible bench team, and give them autonomy. No more of keeping someone around from the Claude Noel era because you like the guy. Give Huddy a job scouting the MJHL if you want to keep him in Winnipeg. Just bring in 100 percent new faces behind the bench.
Then you patiently see what happens to the team during October and November. If the same issues persist, then you know what you have to do. But for me, it all starts with the coaching first. There's no point clearing core players out if you haven't dealt with the coaching issues first.
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Messiah? That’s just hyperbole, nobody said that. I think people are just saying he’d be better than Scheifele. Which isn’t saying much and pretty hard to argue against tbh.
Just as much as it is a hyperbole he's great defensively as an nhl top 6 C because of 18 games at NHL wing. Hb we actually see him as an nhl c first before claiming he's better or worse than scheifele?
Romang67
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You don't need to be great defensively to be better than Scheifele defensively.
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Hey, personally I don’t think either side furthers a discussion by making grand statements about what others are saying. I have no idea whether Perfetti will be better than Scheifele defensively and 18 games on the wing certainly doesn’t tell me anything . At the same time, he doesn’t need to be a messiah to be better than 55. It’s not like it’s a high bar or something.
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Sure. If the bar is to be better than Scheifele defensively than there's a boatload of legitimate Cs out there that are better and could fill in. Hb we actually see him play some games at NHL top 6 c prior to crowning him one?
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Now I am firmly in the keep Mark camp. Just need to surround him with Ehlers and another defense first winger. Not sure who though, don't think the player exists internally.
Teemusalami204
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As long as shief is wearing a letter and out number one C this should be a tank thread too because this team is not going anywhere
We saw in the playoff series against the Oilers that Scheifele is capable of playing well defensively.
He is just being less professional about it during the regular season, which is an awful example when he's wearing an "A".
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