tbcwpg
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Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion
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Didn't say you did, but you keep referencing him not playing center at that tournament as some sort of justification when really that tournament has no bearing on his NHL career.
BobTheSolarsystem
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Perfetti would get crushed under Sheifele's usage. Throw Scheifele out in Perfetti's usage and you would see a different set of stats.
The results are the results. It's possible he would have a hard time originally as he is a young 20 year old rookie. Mark though is a well entrenched vet with a history of getting destroyed at 5 on 5 defensively. It's down right pathetic that our number 1 center doesn't give two shits about his own end and ranks among the worst players in the league in terms of defensive impact.
I don't think it's a stretch to say that if Cole keeps working on his defensive game and takes that area of the ice seriously thatche will be a hands down better defensive player then Mark. I kean it's hard to be worse then bottom 3 to 5 which is what Mark is.
I'm honestly not really sure why people are actually defending that aspect of Mark's game here. It's a massive problem and one of the reasons this team is where it is in the standings.
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Honestly I am not basing any of Cole's potential on stats. My eye test tells me he has some nice pick pocket moments and reads the play well as a defender. It seems like he is engaged and trying to make plays defensively when the opportunity is there.
I am not saying Cole is going to be great or even good at defense, I am saying its pretty much impossible to be worse at D than Mark this season. To summarize, I believe Cole will suck less "IF" called on.
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Another one of my dubious theories: perhaps Scheif took (is still taking) Dale Hawerchuk's illness and subsequent death harder than we may realize. Dale was his coach, a mentor and a friend. Dale was the guy that recommended to the Jets that Mark was THE guy to pick 1st in the organization's 1st ever draft. They were close, to say they least. Dale revealed in 2019 that he was battling cancer (f*** cancer, BTW). Everyone reacts differently to losing someone close. Maybe it messed (is messing) with Mark's head more than we could realize. Again, just a theory.
BobTheSolarsystem
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Who would have thought Kyle Connor would look good on the PK... he will never be a great defensive forward but he somehow is able to backcheck suddenly now that he's off CSWHonestly I am not basing any of Cole's potential on stats. My eye test tells me he has some nice pick pocket moments and reads the play well as a defender. It seems like he is engaged and trying to make plays defensively when the opportunity is there.
I am not saying Cole is going to be great or even good at defense, I am saying its pretty much impossible to be worse at D than Mark this season. To summarize, I believe Cole will suck less "IF" called on.
Plenty of skilled guys who suck at playing in their own end have been good on the PK in the past. Being fast is a big part of being good on the PK as a forward. If you are fast and play aggressive you break up a lot of plays on the PK whether you know how to play 5v5 defense or not.
Kyle Connor isn’t new to the PK, he’s been used on it in the past but essentially wasn’t used to PK last season and is being used on it more this season.
18-19 : 56 mins 0.41/GP
19-20 : 74 mins 1.04/GP
20-21 : 6 mins
21-22 : 97 mins 1.27/GP
18-19 : 56 mins 0.41/GP
19-20 : 74 mins 1.04/GP
20-21 : 6 mins
21-22 : 97 mins 1.27/GP
Yep. Especially if it’s a really skilled guy that can score on a breakaway. Makes teams play a bit conservative on the PP.
No one is defending Sheifele's defensive effort. It's down right shameful at times.
KC could still be bad at reading plays and his skill set would still fit perfectly for PKing. Reach, speed, good hands, quick. Literally everything you want in a good PKer. He just happens to be an elite scorer too.
Very different type of defending on the PK, the play is largely in front of the players so they are constantly fronting the puck so the reads are different as is the positioning required. 5 on 5 defending is vastly different in terms of the types of plays you are defending.
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I'd just like to see it tried. 3 best players all on one line. Connor and Scheifele had some chemistry going back in the day, and that's something that has been sacrificed all year pretty much. Scheif is better than Duby on the draw, so maybe a few more starts with the puck equals more goals. Dubois is not exactly a Selke type of player either, but putting your eggs in one basket has worked for other teams. At this point there is nothing to lose.
I’m sorry, Perfetti would get absolutely shredded if he had to go head to head against the other top centres in the league. Kids got skill but there’s a reason all his comparisons stylistically are wingers
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Ok so take out Perfetti’s name put in Schiefele’s name and your statement is still 100% accurate.
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Agree here. Dubois + Connor is ready-made to carry another lesser player who is decent at boards and facilitating play a bit (*cough* svetch). I think putting elite players there is a huge waste.
Yup. I want to get to a point where we have two impact players on lines 1-3 and a complementary third player to round the line out.
We actually have no idea how he would do because he's never done it but he has alot of room for mistakes going by Scheifele's season. I know people don't like the +/- stat but Scheifele is a -20 and you can't have that from your #1 center.
“The results are the results” is the type of thinking that often time make advanced stats a pile of garbage. If you can’t explain WHY the ”results are the results” then the stats are useless.
I don’t understand how people could possibly suggest Perfetti’s defence at C will be worse than Scheifele’s without at least giving it a try. Scheifele’s defensive game (or at least his lack of effort in the defensive zone) is bottom tier in the league. It’s a low bar for Perfetti to clear and I don’t think it’s fair to assume he’ll “get shredded” without at least trying it (for a decent sample size, not a few games).
