Who gives two shits about the WJHC. Chevy referred to Perfetti as a center just 3 weeks ago. It's clear that the org has plans to transition him to that position at some point.
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Who gives two shits about the WJHC. Chevy referred to Perfetti as a center just 3 weeks ago. It's clear that the org has plans to transition him to that position at some point.
Romang67
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Are you saying it's unusual for coaches to put bigger players at C and smaller players at W? This is hardly unheard of.
No, the poster said Perfetti is significantly better than Scheif at defensive play and positioning. See the quoted post just above, the one you responded to. That's why I specifically talked about Perfetti's defensive play.
Regarding the "white knight" crap, tone it down with the inflammatory rhetoric or you will be removed from the discussion.
What exactly IS my entire assumption? That Perfetti would be responsible defensively? He was lauded by his WJC coach in 2021 for his play on that side of the puck, and was good on that side of the puck as a W in the NHL, so I don't see why that assumption would require every coach to be an idiot.
Yes, there are other small centers in the NHL. How did I act as if Point is the only small C? I just said that the #1C on the Cup winner two years' running should lend credence to the argument that you don't necessarily need size to be effective at C in the NHL.
It appears that Perfetti's not playing C in the WJC is used as evidence for his lacking defensive ability. Obviously I don't agree that Perfetti's defensive play is the reason he wasn't put on C in the WJC.
Strength is only one component of being good defensively. Positioning, timing and reading the play are also components of being good defensively. Perfetti has those in spades.
Cole has the best XGA/60 of any player in our top 6 at 2.4 XGA/60. He is actually quite responsible for his age defensively. Scheifele is second worst on this team with a putrid 3.09 XGA/60. So I don't think it's a stretch to say Perfetti cares more about his end then Mark and as a result performs better.
Cole is also far ahead of Mark in development at the same age. It doesn't necessarily mean he will be better but hes tracking very well so far and was very good at center in the AHL last year. He has the tools and smarts to excel at C in the NHL.
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The smaller Cs like point are burners. And really he's few and far between. As long as scheifele pld and Lowry are here with their (soon to be) contracts, perfetti won't be a top 9 c imo.
Unless they move Scheifele or transition him to wing ala Stamkos.
Aho I wouldn't say is a burner, he's smart and agile like Cole and imo that is probably a good template for him Iif he transitions to C.
The chances of scheifele moving to the wing i think is slim to none. Had ample opportunity this year to try something like that and never happened.
tbcwpg
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Right, Cap Friendly said 2 left and I didn't include this year. I'm still not sure why Detroit trades a younger, better player for one more year of a 31 year old Scheifele during a period where they aren't a Cup contender.
I highly highly doubt it. Larkin is the captain of a storied franchise and a Michigan home grown. They aren't going to be trading him.
Romang67
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There is a chance that Perfetti never gets a chance to play C on the Jets, or in the NHL, and that the next coach we have will stick to two scoring lines, a checking line, and a line that doesn't play, and decides that Scheifele should continue playing the most even strength minutes out of any forward on the Jets while being buried defensively.
Hardly seems like interesting speculation to assume that will be the case, as it basically says that this might be the worst coaching and team engagement we've seen for the Jets and it will continue indefinitely, but certainly possible.
Teemusalami204
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And would he ever pout . He doesn’t seem like the type of player that would sacrifice for the team
IMO
Personally beleive the roster composition is what Chevy wants out of this team.
Lowry was signed a year after Perfetti was selected to a 5 year deal... 3.25mx5 is not a 4c Contract and even with poor first half they never veered off him being the 3C of this team. Think this org is happy and wants him at 3c.
I want 3 scoring lines just as much as anyone. I been posting for months maybe years that we'd be better off with 3 scoring lines. However, the moves the GM and the org has made have been the contrary. Maybe they'll learn this offseason that they can't get by with what they have been doing. Idk. But based on Chevys GMing over the years I'm not holding my breath. And also would not be surprised if the next coach hire reinforces the current philosophy.
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Replacing Marks points by any center including Cole will be really tough short term. That is where Mark will be sorely missed. When it comes to his defense its hard to imagine anyone, even a new player like Perfetti being worse. As long as Perfetti listens to the new coaches, follows the system, and TRYS he can't do worse. This isn't me overhyping a prospect its me saying the bar is as low as it gets when it comes to Mark's defense. He has no passion for that part of the game. Not hard to outperform a player that mails it in. Now if Mark cared or tried then I would agree with both of you.
So do I think they drop Cole in as #2 center next season? Probably not to start. If Mark is traded and a new coaching staff is brought in I think they will want to rebuild the foundation of how the Jets play hockey as 5 man units in all three zones. As team the Jets lack structure, discipline, and buy in and that needs to change.
Sure they can. I'm not saying Perfetti is guaranteed to be an NHL center, juat saying I think he has the skills and attributes to convert if they so choose. It appears the org thinks he can convert based on his usage last year and Chevy's recent comments. We will juat have to see what the plan is for him going forward.
Good post, I think you have captured perfectly what most have been arguing. It's hard to be worse then a bottom 5 to 10 defensive player in the league which is what Mark has been the last number of years.
I don't think anyone has argued Cole is going to replace Mark's offense anytime soon. Although I'd hazard a guess he'd show better on the PP HB then Mark has the last two years.
If it does then this team is in trouble and we are right back where we are now next summer and we likely have a new GM.
No doubt they may once again try to force Adam as the 3C in a checking situation but I would hope this year actually forces the org to really reexamine their plan.
I guess I will try to stay optimistic and choose to believe thus year was an eye opener and will force change.
He's hardly played center this season in either the NHL or AHL. Think it was like a week to 10 days in the AHL before he started playing wing.
And I don't hold much weight to what chevy says. Chevy, Maurice it's all coach or gm speak. Ie: Won't have kids sitting on the taxi squad, open competition for D spots, expect heinola/young players to be playing (last year's tdl) etc , follow the transactions and player movement.
People are basing along of perfettis defensive stats off merely 18 games. How transferable is that from playing 18 games as a wing to a top 6 C?
Teemusalami204
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Very good chance perfetti ends up shitty defensively . It’s obviously a culture and systems Problem .
Litterly every player other then lowry and copp in the last 10 years has not been good defensively on this team . Even stats came here and dropped off.
cbcwpg
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Not including natural decline due to age, a player like Chef has proven that he can play a certain way because he has done so in the past, and at his age he should be able to play that more complete game, again, like he has in the past. There is a reason he's not and the Jets need to figure that out before deciding to move on from him.
And until Cole recovers from whatever injury he has and actually plays a full season in the NHL , I'm going hold my breathe on him replacing Chef.
And until Cole recovers from whatever injury he has and actually plays a full season in the NHL , I'm going hold my breathe on him replacing Chef.
Who really knows but it's a positive start and he's young and will develop further.
Hopefully we bring in a coach that puts an emphasis on developing that competency in all players.
BobTheSolarsystem
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Interesting highlights... of Game 5 against St Louis - the one we should have won
Bottom six was on fire and hungry... Helle was on fire... so what does Maurice do - runs CSW into the ground as always... and gives Hayes 10 mins, Ehlers 14 mins, etc...
Playoff Scheif looks a lot like Scheif right now... I am starting to believe the talent did prop his laziness up and that there actually hasn't been a drop off. One goal was his man and he was just too lazy to backcheck... the winning goal was more weak play on the boards and serving up a pizza.
Trade him.
Bottom six was on fire and hungry... Helle was on fire... so what does Maurice do - runs CSW into the ground as always... and gives Hayes 10 mins, Ehlers 14 mins, etc...
Playoff Scheif looks a lot like Scheif right now... I am starting to believe the talent did prop his laziness up and that there actually hasn't been a drop off. One goal was his man and he was just too lazy to backcheck... the winning goal was more weak play on the boards and serving up a pizza.
Trade him.
I really dunno if we can make stamping conclusions that perfetti is great (or bad) defensively as a top 6 nhl c based on 18 games of nhl wing.
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