Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[Mud Turtle]

I'm not going to defend his family's harassment, but he was not penalized for "back checking". He had no chance to stop the goal and gave a guy a concussion for no other reason than he was pissed off and wanted to hurt someone. That's what he was penalized for.

And if that's what's turned him into a sulking quitter then he's got no business being in the NHL.

In my opinion, his game had already started declining a long time before that hit.
At least I’ve been complaining about his game declining for much longer.

 

[Howard Chuck]

In my opinion, his game had already started declining a long time before that hit.
At least I’ve been complaining about his game declining for much longer.

I agree, it has nothing to do with that hit/suspension.

 

[bennylundholm]

GM's won't be willing to give up top young talent for a 29 year old center who quit on his team this year.
55's PPG total won't mask the many deficiencies in his game.
I still believe the Jets should deal him for the best return.

I'd look for either a younger center with potential or a player who is similarly out of favor with his team.
I also like the idea of bringing back Copp if he wants back.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

GM's won't be willing to give up top young talent for a 29 year old center who quit on his team this year.
55's PPG total won't mask the many deficiencies in his game.
I still believe the Jets should deal him for the best return.

I'd look for either a younger center with potential or a player who is similarly out of favor with his team.
I also like the idea of bringing back Copp if he wants back.

Copps not coming back. He has a taste of the Big Apple now, and my bet is that he resigns there. He seems to of fit right in with the team, the fans love him and his best buddy Trouba is there. Zero chance he is a Jet next fall

 

[TS Quint]

I've been wondering what it would look like to have Scheifele move to the wing so he doesn't have the defensive responsibility. I think with Stastny in the middle and Ehlers on the other side it would be a good line.

 

[bennylundholm]

I've been wondering what it would look like to have Scheifele move to the wing so he doesn't have the defensive responsibility. I think with Stastny in the middle and Ehlers on the other side it would be a good line.

Ya, if 55 is on the wing and has less defensive responsibility that would be nice.

 

[DRW204]

I like the idea of moving scheifele to the wing... Although do wonder how he'd take it personally. Idk what his problem has been the past four seasons, but a demotion of that sort might make his attitude or play even shittier

Didnt something happen similarly with Stamkos from c to wing early in his career? Anyone recall?

 

[surixon]

I like the idea of moving scheifele to the wing... Although do wonder how he'd take it personally. Idk what his problem has been the past four seasons, but a demotion of that sort might make his attitude or play even shittier

Didnt something happen similarly with Stamkos from c to wing early in his career? Anyone recall?

It wasn't early in his career it was 3 or so years ago when Point proved himself to be a great all around C. That and Cirelli emerging as a good two-way C allowed Tampa to move him to wing where his more offensive attributes are better utilized.

Tampa seems to run two-way centers with their elite offensive talent (Stamkos and kucherov driving stuff from the wing). Tampa won both of their last two cups with Stamkos playing on the second line wing.

I would rather Mark play wing, even if he is engaged and playing hard next year his game is more geared to the winger spot now.

 

[DRW204]

It wasn't early in his career it was 3 or so years ago when Point proved himself to be a great all around C. That and Cirelli emerging as a good two-way C allowed Tampa to move him to wing where his more offensive attributes are better utilized.

Tampa seems to run two-way centers with their elite offensive talent (Stamkos and kucherov driving stuff from the wing). Tampa won both of their last two cups with Stamkos playing on the second line wing.

I would rather Mark play wing, even if he is engaged and playing hard next year his game is more geared to the winger spot now.

Nah that's not it. I think I'm thinking of a different player where they were making a stink of being on the wing rather than C.

Edit: it was Stamkos when he was 26. Not sure if it really was as big of a stink as I originally thought, or just a negotiation thing during his FA

 

[Teemusalami204]

Let's see 55 play under a new coaching staff before moving on from him. TNSE needs to put butts in the seats. Trading 29 and 55 in back to back years does not help attract the average fan to the rink.

Would trading 55 be better for the team? it could? but it certainly isnt going to appeal to the average fan when this team may have trouble filling seats in the very near future. The average SSH may also see it as some type of rebuild if he was to be moved for prospects and opt out for a few seasons.

This franchsie has been in a desperate need of a new vison behind the bench for a few seasons now. Let that play out 1st and see how Mark responds before moving on. Just my 2 cents.

We do need a new vision . Chevy thought it would be a good idea to waste a season first.

 

[surixon]

Nah that's not it. I think I'm thinking of a different player where they were making a stink of being on the wing rather than C.

Edit: it was Stamkos when he was 26. Not sure if it really was as big of a stink as I originally thought, or just a negotiation thing during his FA

Ah, I don't remember him making a stink. Honestly if Mark does t want to then why even bother keeping a player that isn't willing to sacrifice for the team. Had he not played like ahit at C it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[DRW204]

Ah, I don't remember him making a stink. Honestly if Mark does t want to then why even bother keeping a player that isn't willing to sacrifice for the team. Had he not played like ahit at C it wouldn't be an issue.

Yeah I just remember it popping up during the 2016 season. But I think it might have been to show his value at C when he was due for a FA contract. He's played some wing since and no complaints. Not sure if it's a comparable.

Anyway idk. Scheifele strikes me as a guy that might just sulk more if he's demoted to wing. PLD becomes the unquestioned(?) 1C. He hasn't sacrificed to play a great all around game for nearly 4 seasons now. Just trade him if a gm gives you center value for him. He still has name value, gets high pts and TOI that's usually recipe for a good return package.

 

[surixon]

Yeah I just remember it popping up during the 2016 season. But I think it might have been to show his value at C when he was due for a FA contract. He's played some wing since and no complaints. Not sure if it's a comparable.

Anyway idk. Scheifele strikes me as a guy that might just sulk more if he's demoted to wing. PLD becomes the unquestioned(?) 1C. He hasn't sacrificed to play a great all around game for nearly 4 seasons now. Just trade him if a gm gives you center value for him. He still has name value, gets high pts and TOI that's usually recipe for a good return package.

It's hard to imagine him sulking any further but I guess that is possible.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Part of me thinks we should first see if a new coach makes a positive impression on Schiefele . Problem is if it doesn’t work and Schiefele regresses even more/ tanks then his trade value goes downhill fast.

True North needs to determine how likely a new coach will improve or alienate Schiefele. And then act accordingly.

 

[Weezeric]

It wasn't early in his career it was 3 or so years ago when Point proved himself to be a great all around C. That and Cirelli emerging as a good two-way C allowed Tampa to move him to wing where his more offensive attributes are better utilized.

Tampa seems to run two-way centers with their elite offensive talent (Stamkos and kucherov driving stuff from the wing). Tampa won both of their last two cups with Stamkos playing on the second line wing.

I would rather Mark play wing, even if he is engaged and playing hard next year his game is more geared to the winger spot now.

Connor-PLD-Scheifele
Ehlers-Perfetti-Wheeler

Looks like a good top 6. Have to rebuild the bottom six though. Maybe get another middle six winger to play with Perfetti and Ehlers and have Stastny and Wheeler play together.

 

[surixon]

Part of me thinks we should first see if a new coach makes a positive impression on Schiefele . Problem is if it doesn’t work and Schiefele regresses even more/ tanks then his trade value goes downhill fast.

True North needs to determine how likely a new coach will improve or alienate Schiefele. And then act accordingly.

True North needs to figure out where Scheifele's head is at. Before they even think about letting a new coach at him they need to figure out what his issues are and if they are correctable new coach or not. If he's not happy here then move him out, a new coach won't help in that regard.

 

[Jets4Life]

Cossa might not be NHL ready for a couple of years, so I think by that time Detroit could sign Hellebuyck as a UFA...Scheif and Helly together would be a mega deal, so there would be have to be a lot coming back. And I would leave it to our scouts to decide that one.

Trading away Helle would be insane and foolish. He is arguably the best goalie of the past 5 seasons. Do we want Pavelec-style goaltending, so we can be a bottom-dweller, that no level headed NHL player wants to come to Winnipeg?

Helle is one of the only reasons we have not finished in last place for the past 2 seasons.

 

[Jets4Life]

That’s your interpretation. Your ability to read Scheifele’s mind is remarkable.

You obviously have not seen the video of the hit. Only the most homerish Jets fans would not consider that suspension worthy. He was out to hurt Evans. Period.

 

[Duke749]

Funny when you’re dead how people start listening….

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Copps not coming back. He has a taste of the Big Apple now, and my bet is that he resigns there. He seems to of fit right in with the team, the fans love him and his best buddy Trouba is there. Zero chance he is a Jet next fall

Copp found chemistry with Panarin. Watch those 3 goals he’s score all setup by the breadman and now looks like a legit sniper
His agent should make him stay with the Rags to pad up his stats if offered lesser money in FA

 

[Ducky10]

You obviously have not seen the video of the hit. Only the most homerish Jets fans would not consider that suspension worthy. He was out to hurt Evans. Period.

Good lord , get over yourself. I’ve seen the video countless times and was watching the game. What a stupid thing to say, enough with the moral grandstanding. I disagree, not going to rehash it a year later.

 

[rkp]

Copp found chemistry with Panarin. Watch those 3 goals he’s score all setup by the breadman and now looks like a legit sniper
His agent should make him stay with the Rags to pad up his stats if offered lesser money in FA

makes it look like all the more evident we dont know how to manage players

 

[cbcwpg]

I don't blame a 35+ year old player for losing a step and becoming less effective.... but I do blame an 29 year old player for deciding to play like a 35+ year old.

 

[DRW204]

makes it look like all the more evident we dont know how to manage players

how do you figure? do you mean trying him as a 2c?

for most of copp's career here our top6 wings were ehlers, connor, laine and wheeler. he isn't better than any of them. we had scheifele at 1c, and Little during that time period. could we have not signed little to that 7 year extension and tried copp at 2c? perhaps (or alternatively could have acquired someone else)... that would have been during the 18-19 season and would have saved $$$ on the cap going forward (given copp excelled at 2c).

Copp is a pretty smart hockey player. in 18-19 i remember him referencing points per TOI (pts per 60 basically) and his individual scoring at EV while centering 2 rookies in Lemieux and Appleton. He was real good that year. All through this time, he was clamoring to prove in his abilities that he's a top-6er. it took us what nearly 7 years to do that, but at the same time really he wasn't better than any of the wings ahead of him. like i mentioned perhaps 2C, however we signed Little to that deal and then put Wheeler at 2C in 19-20 b/w Ehlers and Roslovic (perhaps tried Copp here? although he and Roslovic were scoring similarly pts per game up until that season), then eventually Eakin b/w Laine and Ehlers.

 

[cbcwpg]

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