Confirmed with Link: Marian Gaborik and Nick Shore to OTT for Dion Phaneuf (25% retained) and Nate Thompson

[Sol]

From the interview Phaneuf gave to the media, he really loves the idea of playing with the Kings as he says it over and again lol.

Lol i saw that too. Glad to see hes excited.

I feel like the Nate Thompson part of this is being overlooked.

100% nate was really solid on the Ducks .

To be fair, he has constantly been on a team that has been in the process of rebuilding/retooling after 06/07 season. However, he HAS been a part of those failures.

The fact that you wonder if LaDue has ever played defense and that thought doesn't come to your mind when you see Forbort play is actually surprising because i wondered if Forbort has ever played defense and even questioned the possibility hes never touched a puck before.

 

[Herby]

Forbort has played himself out of the lineup. This is the Kings basically bringing in a guy to play a role they expected Forbort to play.

With Phaneuf, Martinez and Muzzin signed beyond this season, I would not expect to see Forbort with the Kings next season. He could even be unloaded before the deadline.

Forbort sometimes gets an unfair rap because of where he was drafted and he did show signs of small progression last year but he is just so limited offensively that he really needs to be nasty and tough to play against and he just doesn’t bring that enough to be effective. Sometimes when you watch him play it’s just amazing he was such a high draft pick.

 

[deaderhead28]

Guys over at the NHL Network reaction to the Phaneuf trade.

 

[Sol]

There is zero case to keep forbort in the line up. Just look at the skillset between LaDue and Forbort. There's a gap bigger than the grand canyon

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Forbort has played himself out of the lineup. This is the Kings basically bringing in a guy to play a role they expected Forbort to play.

With Phaneuf, Martinez and Muzzin signed beyond this season, I would not expect to see Forbort with the Kings next season. He could even be unloaded before the deadline.

Forbort sometimes gets an unfair rap because of where he was drafted and he did show signs of small progression last year but he is just so limited offensively that he really needs to be nasty and tough to play against and he just doesn’t bring that enough to be effective. Sometimes when you watch him play it’s just amazing he was such s high draft pick.

We already knew this, but today's game was very telling in how much Forbort struggles with the pace of the game. He was repeatedly taking penalties because he was being caught flat footed, guys were easily blowing past him, and he isn't a crease clearing, punishing defenseman. He is just a healthy body, and a dime a dozen defenseman who really specializes at nothing. Not a single thing about his game stands out.

He's not even superb defensively, which leaves one to question, what exactly could he provide to this team that is sorely lacking and missing?

 

[Laphroaig]

You guys did well. Phaneuf has been nothing but class in Ottawa and is much loved by his team mates. He was the number two defenseman here but he'll be much more effective as a 4/5 guy playing fewer minutes. He's smart and mean as a snake but he's also very slow. He can also play both the right and left side.

Thompson is a good fourth line centre. He's tough, strong on the draw and an excellent penalty killer. I'll miss both of these guys.

 

[deaderhead28]

Ottawa Coach on the trade.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Guys over at the NHL Network reaction to the Phaneuf trade.

their reaction was borderline noob-like to be quite honest

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Ouch, it's Gaborik's birthday tomorrow. Well I guess today since they're 3 hours ahead over there. Happy Birthday, move from LA to Ottawa.

 

[tny760]

their reaction was borderline noob-like to be quite honest

"devin shore"

poor guy

 

[tny760]

Ottawa Coach on the trade.

never really watched a boucher interview

seems like the kind of guy that could be friendly then suddenly decide he's going to stab you to death and wear your skin

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

I have no problem with this at all. Phaneuf isn't great, but he can eat minutes and he's still an NHL player. Gabby looks disinterested and done. I'll always appreciate Gabby helping get that second cup, but he had played himself out of the lineup.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Doesn't Phaneuf have a bit of a rep of being an *******? What has he done to get the rep?

Hopefully it will be a case of another experienced dman looking good on our team after looking **** elsewhere.

Lots of rumours about his Calgary time. I personally can't confirm or deny them though.

I used to work out at the same gym as him when I was playing and Phaneuf is a huge d-bag. He stopped coming back to Edmonton in the summers pretty early on his career basically because no liked him there that grew up with him (played with a bunch of players that played with him). Was not well liked anywhere. This was like 10-12 years ago though, maybe he matured but I doubt it with him.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There is zero case to keep forbort in the line up. Just look at the skillset between LaDue and Forbort. There's a gap bigger than the grand canyon

Without talking about ability, it's as different as one can get on the Kings roster. slick skating puck moving RHD who is playing by far the easiest minutes on the team with a no-offense LHD who is playing by far--except for Drew--the hardest minutes on the team.

We already knew this, but today's game was very telling in how much Forbort struggles with the pace of the game. He was repeatedly taking penalties because he was being caught flat footed, guys were easily blowing past him, and he isn't a crease clearing, punishing defenseman. He is just a healthy body, and a dime a dozen defenseman who really specializes at nothing. Not a single thing about his game stands out.

He's not even superb defensively, which leaves one to question, what exactly could he provide to this team that is sorely lacking and missing?

Like I alluded to above, Forbort's value was in sucking up time and space so guys like LaDue didn't have to play his 20 minutes. You're absolutely right that he's not physical and so I'm not comparing him to guys like Regehr in role outright, but similar to Regehr, Scuderi, Greene, sometimes those guys took a beating because all they did was eat the hardest minutes so other guys can excel. That's what Forbort was doing. I'm not going to get into the effectiveness of it because that's a pissing contest but no one can deny his role. And I have to assume that's one of the reasons Phaneuf is here--a veteran to do the same things but also to be an asshole and make us harder to play against on the back end.

"devin shore"

poor guy

Wonder how many times Devin shit himself at home in Dallas tonight, I heard his name pulled at least 5 times instead of Nick.

 

[Bandit]

Lots of rumours about his Calgary time. I personally can't confirm or deny them though.

I used to work out at the same gym as him when I was playing and Phaneuf is a huge d-bag. He stopped coming back to Edmonton in the summers pretty early on his career basically because no liked him there that grew up with him (played with a bunch of players that played with him). Was not well liked anywhere. This was like 10-12 years ago though, maybe he matured but I doubt it with him.

No f***ing way?????????

 

[Kingspiracy]

Lots of rumours about his Calgary time. I personally can't confirm or deny them though.

I used to work out at the same gym as him when I was playing and Phaneuf is a huge d-bag. He stopped coming back to Edmonton in the summers pretty early on his career basically because no liked him there that grew up with him (played with a bunch of players that played with him). Was not well liked anywhere. This was like 10-12 years ago though, maybe he matured but I doubt it with him.

That sounds a bit ominous, hopefully he has grown up and our room can keep him decent. Whats your boy Dano worth these days? I'm sure you guys would love a slightly used Andreoff .

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Yeah the consensus seemed to be he was kind of a shit heel back in the day, Ottawa fans have lots of good things to say about him, so hopefully he got his head out of his ass.

On paper, I'm very excited by this trade. Power's still dry, and we got better without significant cap investment.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

No ****ing way?????????

Maybe we can bring him and Mike Green together for not only hockey but multimarketing

 

[Holden Caulfield]

That sounds a bit ominous, hopefully he has grown up and our room can keep him decent. Whats your boy Dano worth these days? I'm sure you guys would love a slightly used Andreoff .

Would love for Dano to get moved. The Jets are badly misusing his talents. I do think the asking price might be a bit higher than Andreoff, but not by much. Dano would be a great fit for the Kings, IMO, since he is a really productive player in almost any role. Kings always seem to be short of production despite good underlying numbers. 3rd line with Dano - Kempe - Lewis would be pretty deadly at both ends, IMO.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Would love for Dano to get moved. The Jets are badly misusing his talents. I do think the asking price might be a bit higher than Andreoff, but not by much. Dano would be a great fit for the Kings, IMO, since he is a really productive player in almost any role. Kings always seem to be short of production despite good underlying numbers. 3rd line with Dano - Kempe - Lewis would be pretty deadly at both ends, IMO.

Considering Andreoff probably isn't even worth a 7th round pick then that's pretty sad that Dano isn't worth much more than that. Or you just don't realize how bad Andreoff is.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Considering Andreoff probably isn't even worth a 7th round pick then that's pretty sad that Dano isn't worth much more than that. Or you just don't realize how bad Andreoff is.

Well I was thinking like Andreoff + 3rd or something and he could be had. But maybe not until after the playoffs. Dano is RFA at the end of the year and likely won't be signing a new contract in Winnipeg with how poorly they've treated him, IMO. He has consistently produced at borderline 2nd/3rd line rates in 5v5 scoring per 60 minutes, despite being buried on Jets and given no opportunities.

 

[bob77]

Without talking about ability, it's as different as one can get on the Kings roster. slick skating puck moving RHD who is playing by far the easiest minutes on the team with a no-offense LHD who is playing by far--except for Drew--the hardest minutes on the team.



Like I alluded to above, Forbort's value was in sucking up time and space so guys like LaDue didn't have to play his 20 minutes. You're absolutely right that he's not physical and so I'm not comparing him to guys like Regehr in role outright, but similar to Regehr, Scuderi, Greene, sometimes those guys took a beating because all they did was eat the hardest minutes so other guys can excel. That's what Forbort was doing. I'm not going to get into the effectiveness of it because that's a pissing contest but no one can deny his role. And I have to assume that's one of the reasons Phaneuf is here--a veteran to do the same things but also to be an ******* and make us harder to play against on the back end.



Wonder how many times Devin **** himself at home in Dallas tonight, I heard his name pulled at least 5 times instead of Nick.

Thanks for pointing out the value of a stay at home D. Some people that post here absolutely do not get it at all, or it sure seems that way. Matchups, roles, zone starts, PK, PP, left side, right side, positioning, stick work, shot blocks, physicality and strength in corner, speed, shot, passing, vision, etc. Just because LaDue does a few of things better than Forbort does not mean he should necessarily be playing all the roles that Forbort is playing. Some of the things that LaDue is good at are the same things that Muzzin, Doughty, and Martinez are good at. LaDue is redundant at some of these roles. Dion and Forbort will have some redundancy as well. I believe Stevens wants the bigger more physical player, especially on a third pairing. Dion and Forbort should complement each other somewhat. Dion was getting probably too many minutes in Ottawa and Forbort was starting to get too many minutes in a lot of games for LA. If they each play 20 minutes, that should balance them out well. I do think there could be some more trades involving our D though. They could easily trade anyone not named Drew depending on whether they feel the value in return for a F is worth it. They need some help up front in the top 6 still. They seem to have too many D in the organization now that could play. It's not about trading who you think is the worst Kings D. I'd trade Drew if it were the right player coming in return. Heck, Gretzky got traded. Some of the F they continue to carry give you the notion they would not even get claimed off waivers if we sent them down. Some would argue Shore wouldn't even get claimed if sent down, but....that's close. There has to be some teams out there with an excess of forward talent but lack D talent that are in the playoff race. Toronto comes to mind. Something like Muzzin to Toronto for a F, but which F? Toronto probably doesn't do well in the playoffs with their current D.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Well I was thinking like Andreoff + 3rd or something and he could be had. But maybe not until after the playoffs. Dano is RFA at the end of the year and likely won't be signing a new contract in Winnipeg with how poorly they've treated him, IMO. He has consistently produced at borderline 2nd/3rd line rates in 5v5 scoring per 60 minutes, despite being buried on Jets and given no opportunities.

I'd do a 3rd + Andreoff for Dano. Probably a better player than the Kings would draft with the 3rd anyways.

Something like Muzzin to Toronto for a F, but which F? Toronto probably doesn't do well in the playoffs with their current D.

Kadri would be awesome. Doubt Toronto would do it though.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Kadri would be awesome. Doubt Toronto would do it though.

If the Kings added Kadri on top of Phaneuf they'd only need Perry to complete the scumbag trifecta of my most hated players in the entire league. That would be really really unfortunate.

 

[Sol]

Without talking about ability, it's as different as one can get on the Kings roster. slick skating puck moving RHD who is playing by far the easiest minutes on the team with a no-offense LHD who is playing by far--except for Drew--the hardest minutes on the team.



Like I alluded to above, Forbort's value was in sucking up time and space so guys like LaDue didn't have to play his 20 minutes. You're absolutely right that he's not physical and so I'm not comparing him to guys like Regehr in role outright, but similar to Regehr, Scuderi, Greene, sometimes those guys took a beating because all they did was eat the hardest minutes so other guys can excel. That's what Forbort was doing. I'm not going to get into the effectiveness of it because that's a pissing contest but no one can deny his role. And I have to assume that's one of the reasons Phaneuf is here--a veteran to do the same things but also to be an ******* and make us harder to play against on the back end.



Wonder how many times Devin **** himself at home in Dallas tonight, I heard his name pulled at least 5 times instead of Nick.

That's a weak argument in defense on Forbort. Ice time has nothing to do with anything. All you're implying is thar Forbort would look better if had less ice time and that LaDue would look worse than Forbort does now with more ice time.