Confirmed with Link: Marian Gaborik and Nick Shore to OTT for Dion Phaneuf (25% retained) and Nate Thompson

[Fandlauer]

You're wrong. You got the best two players in the 4 player deal. And it's not really close. good luck to them. Good guys on and off the ice.

Ya, the myth that Phaneuf is "done" is pretty much just pushed by salty Leafs fans. He's not what he used to be but absolutely a great pro and a serviceable top 4 guy.

 

[Pandaman11]

Finally Gaborik is gone... Thanks for everything in 2014, but come on DL, that contract was a huge mistake the moment it was signed. Since then, he's been 50% on IR and 50% a zombie on the ice.

However: Phaneuf? Really? 32 years old, also signed until 2021. He will unnecessarily take away playing time from Gravel, Fantenberg, Clauge. (not counting LaDue because RHD)

 

[kovacro]

I feel like the Nate Thompson part of this is being overlooked.

I've seen Thompson enough this year and he's a pretty good penalty killer and faceoff guy. Thus far, he's at 56.3% success rate at the dot.

He'll play with some sandpaper and can skate, he's no slug out there. He was pretty decent in his stint with the Duckies as some may recall.

He's a good add on the 4th line but that's all that people should expect from him. Our 4th line looks better than it did to start the year.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Finally Gaborik is gone... Thanks for everything in 2014, but come on DL, that contract was a huge mistake the moment it was signed. Since then, he's been 50% on IR and 50% a zombie on the ice.

However: Phaneuf? Really? 32 years old, also signed until 2021. He will unnecessarily take away playing time from Gravel, Fantenberg, Clauge. (not counting LaDue because RHD)

Clague isn't 20 yet. If he can play next year, they'll find a place. Fantenberg is a 26 year old European free agent on a 1 year why not try it deal, who was already not in the NHL before the trade. Gravel, 25, almost 26. If Fantenberg and Gravel can't do better than Phaneuf, then what's the problem? If they can, they will find a place for them.

 

[KINGS17]

Clague isn't 20 yet. If he can play next year, they'll find a place. Fantenberg is a 26 year old European free agent on a 1 year why not try it deal, who was already not in the NHL before the trade. Gravel, 25, almost 26. If Fantenberg and Gravel can't do better than Phaneuf, then what's the problem? If they can, they will find a place for them.

Our "young" players are not as young as some people believe.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The trade isn't terrible, but it is a shot in the dark. Let's see what happens once the excitement has worn off for Phaneuf a bit. My guess is some will laud this deal as the steal of the century, and then after 4 or 5 games, Phaneuf will be getting raked over the coals by the same people for being a pylon.

He'll have to be really awful to be complained about more than Gaborik. If Phaneuf is a pylon, then all they did was shift the problem to somewhere else on the roster, and they'll still get a higher pick. No harm done.

Bad contracts necessitate shots in the dark.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Our "young" players are not as young as some people believe.

More inexperienced at the NHL level than young.

 

[KINGS17]

He'll have to be really awful to be complained about more than Gaborik. If Phaneuf is a pylon, then all they did was shift the problem to somewhere else on the roster, and they'll still get a higher pick. No harm done.

Bad contracts necessitate shots in the dark.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the trade. I don't think it's a magic bullet either.

 

[Jungle Boy]

We should retool on the flight just like San Jose did In 2013. Trade Martinez (or Muzzin) and Lewis for future. Trade Forbot for a An ufa dman from the bottom teams try to make the playoffs while in good shape for the next off season.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Where does Nate Thompson fit in right now?

Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
Pearson-Kempe-Toffoli
Clifford-Mitchell-Amadio
Andreoff-Thompson-Brodzinski

Our bottom six is... weird. Though Clifford, Brodzinski, and Andreoff have been racking up points the past couple games.

 

[bob77]

Ya, the myth that Phaneuf is "done" is pretty much just pushed by salty Leafs fans. He's not what he used to be but absolutely a great pro and a serviceable top 4 guy.

I would agree with this. His run in Ottawa was much better

 

[Zybalto]

You guys might make out better than you think.

Phaneuf at 5.25 isnt an awful contract anymore. Getting a dman who is great in the locker room, plays 20 min a night, plays both sides, can play the PP and PK and has played hard minutes all season on a lousy defensive team with spotty goaltending in a death spiral and the guy is only -9. If used properly, he can be the catalyst of an awesome playoff run.....just look at the Senators run last year.....or was that ALL Karlsson?

Due to the Toronto angle, hating on Phaneuf is a weird obsession for some on the board just like Phil Kessel being labelled a perennial loser and locker room cancer who wasnt worth his contract as he was a one-dimensional player.....how did that work out for the Pens?

Of course, I may be totally wrong on this but watching him play, the picture some are painting of him doesn't seem to match the player.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's a weak argument in defense on Forbort. Ice time has nothing to do with anything. All you're implying is thar Forbort would look better if had less ice time and that LaDue would look worse than Forbort does now with more ice time.

You just made my argument for me. Thanks!

If Forbort is gone, who eats the hardest minutes? Drew again?

It does matter because that deployment in part is what keeps folks from understanding something important. We're seeing two situations play out parallel on this forum--people hate McNabb, but LOVE Colin Miller; people hate Forbort, but love LaDue; it's no surprise they're doing nearly the same things for their respective teams, playing some of the hardest minutes in the NHL and some of the most sheltered minutes in the NHL. Go ahead and remove Forbort and McNabb if you want, someone has to replace them. The role isn't glamorous. They look bad at it. Numbers prove otherwise (except lately for Forbort, he's been gross), but even if you disagree, the biggest problem is how do you plug that hole? Phaneuf may. But regardless, yes, keep their minutes down and everyone is more effective.

Most d-men seem to have a magic number around 20 min at which they lose effectiveness. Drew's threshhold is higher, like 25, but even then you see him conserving energy instead of going full-bore fully engaged once he gets there. He'd be more effective individually at less than 27 minutes (though obviously half-assed Doughty is better than 75% of the NHL).

You're misreading me in general, though. I wasn't "defending" Forbort as much as I was illustrating why his role was important because Ziggy asked what he brings. Even if the answer is "nothing" as a few folks believe, that's still 20 hard minutes to be accounted for.

 

[BamBam1031]

So far, Blake seems to be making solid, if not spectacular, moves. Looks like he'll be the type to make sensible hockey trades, giving value for value. Not the type other GMs hang up on immediately. Hopefully, the Phaneuf trade works out well. Really have no where to go but up, though, considering how little Gaborik was being used. Thanks for all the memories, Gabby, and best of luck.

 

[Beaninfritz]

Ya, the myth that Phaneuf is "done" is pretty much just pushed by salty Leafs fans. He's not what he used to be but absolutely a great pro and a serviceable top 4 guy.

Leafs fan here in peace. I don't remember seeing anyone on the leafs board calling Phaneuf "done". He's not that, he's just not worth $7mil per season. That's why I was shocked that we traded him to Ottawa, and didn't retain any salary. I couldn't believe it. Now Ottawa's retained some salary in this trade. You got a pretty good deal. No, he's not the offensive dynamo that he once was when he entered the league (he wasn't that on Toronto either), but he can eat up big minutes, and play a pretty good 2-way game. He just needs to keep his slapshot low. Too many times in Toronto he blisters a slapshot, and it hits the glass, instead of hitting the net.

 

[KingsFan7824]

He just needs to keep his slapshot low. Too many times in Toronto he blisters a slapshot, and it hits the glass, instead of hitting the net.

He'll fit in perfectly then. Him and Doughty on the PP will be sweet.

 

[bob77]

You just made my argument for me. Thanks!

If Forbort is gone, who eats the hardest minutes? Drew again?

It does matter because that deployment in part is what keeps folks from understanding something important. We're seeing two situations play out parallel on this forum--people hate McNabb, but LOVE Colin Miller; people hate Forbort, but love LaDue; it's no surprise they're doing nearly the same things for their respective teams, playing some of the hardest minutes in the NHL and some of the most sheltered minutes in the NHL. Go ahead and remove Forbort and McNabb if you want, someone has to replace them. The role isn't glamorous. They look bad at it. Numbers prove otherwise (except lately for Forbort, he's been gross), but even if you disagree, the biggest problem is how do you plug that hole? Phaneuf may. But regardless, yes, keep their minutes down and everyone is more effective.

Most d-men seem to have a magic number around 20 min at which they lose effectiveness. Drew's threshhold is higher, like 25, but even then you see him conserving energy instead of going full-bore fully engaged once he gets there. He'd be more effective individually at less than 27 minutes (though obviously half-assed Doughty is better than 75% of the NHL).

You're misreading me in general, though. I wasn't "defending" Forbort as much as I was illustrating why his role was important because Ziggy asked what he brings. Even if the answer is "nothing" as a few folks believe, that's still 20 hard minutes to be accounted for.

Precisely.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Precisely.

Are you related to Forbort?

 

[Sol]

From the other point of view, if you want to argue Phaneuf is still a legit top 4, we're all ears.

What do the Kings have to offer to land this other mythical 3/4 defenseman who is available?

The trade isn't terrible, but it is a shot in the dark. Let's see what happens once the excitement has worn off for Phaneuf a bit. My guess is some will laud this deal as the steal of the century, and then after 4 or 5 games, Phaneuf will be getting raked over the coals by the same people for being a pylon.

Bunch of Sens fans are saying he can be a serviceable 4th D.

Second, if we had to, a first rounder could get us more support on the back end (hint: not a rental).

You just made my argument for me. Thanks!

If Forbort is gone, who eats the hardest minutes? Drew again?

It does matter because that deployment in part is what keeps folks from understanding something important. We're seeing two situations play out parallel on this forum--people hate McNabb, but LOVE Colin Miller; people hate Forbort, but love LaDue; it's no surprise they're doing nearly the same things for their respective teams, playing some of the hardest minutes in the NHL and some of the most sheltered minutes in the NHL. Go ahead and remove Forbort and McNabb if you want, someone has to replace them. The role isn't glamorous. They look bad at it. Numbers prove otherwise (except lately for Forbort, he's been gross), but even if you disagree, the biggest problem is how do you plug that hole? Phaneuf may. But regardless, yes, keep their minutes down and everyone is more effective.

Most d-men seem to have a magic number around 20 min at which they lose effectiveness. Drew's threshhold is higher, like 25, but even then you see him conserving energy instead of going full-bore fully engaged once he gets there. He'd be more effective individually at less than 27 minutes (though obviously half-assed Doughty is better than 75% of the NHL).

You're misreading me in general, though. I wasn't "defending" Forbort as much as I was illustrating why his role was important because Ziggy asked what he brings. Even if the answer is "nothing" as a few folks believe, that's still 20 hard minutes to be accounted for.

Why do you think those players who get forborts icetime would do worse though? Thats a whole lot of maybes.

 

[lexlavender]

I'd be very surprised if Phanuef came in and played like he was worth 5 million dollars a year, in my honest opinion.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

He's just not good anymore to be honest. The game is too fast for him in this day and age. I knew once we traded for Dion that we would see serious decline defensively .. With him and Ceci playing with each other we must have had the worst ( or close to) 2nd D pairing in the NHL.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

He'll fit in perfectly then. Him and Doughty on the PP will be sweet.

I don't want to sound like a negative Nancy but he's not even valuable on the PP these days - 4 points in 53 games.

 

[Little Psycho]

He's just not good anymore to be honest. The game is too fast for him in this day and age. I knew once we traded for Dion that we would see serious decline defensively .. With him and Ceci playing with each other we must have had the worst ( or close to) 2nd D pairing in the NHL.

We didn't give up much for him, but I'm just hoping he can eat up some ice time. He's not our savior, but the team is bleeding goals and they need some kind of stoppage for the time being.

I don't want to sound like a negative Nancy but he's not even valuable on the PP these days - 4 points in 53 games.

Yeah, he doesn't put us in the playoff contenders category but our D needs help and good defensemen are not easy to come by during the trade deadline. We'll see how it goes, a lot of trades in the past for damaged old goods have worked out for the Kings.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

We didn't give up much for him, but I'm just hoping he can eat up some ice time. He's not our savior, but the team is bleeding goals and they need some kind of stoppage for the time being.



Yeah, he doesn't put us in the playoff contenders category but our D needs help and good defensemen are not easy to come by during the trade deadline. We'll see how it goes, a lot of trades in the past for damaged old goods have worked out for the Kings.

Where he can be somewhat valuable would likely be on the PK where he's still strong enough to push guys away from the net also doesn't need to move a whole lot.

 

[AlphaBravo]

This deal is nothing really - not bad or good. It's a no risk trade. Gaborik was basically done as an NHL player. I don't think he is even serviceable on the 4th line because he is like Cammy - if not scoring, he is pretty pointless. At a minimum, Phanuef could replace the role of Forbort or Folin on the bottom pairing. If he exceeds expectations, then we can move out Martinez to address our scoring needs. The long and short is, however, that this team is garbage at the moment. We are no different than the Rangers.