Confirmed with Link: Marian Gaborik and Nick Shore to OTT for Dion Phaneuf (25% retained) and Nate Thompson

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ummm... are you forgetting that Gaborik is 36?

Four years separates Dion from Marian.

And who cares about losing Shore, who's career high in goals is 6 and points is 17? Numbers that Nate Thompson can also replicate, but provide far more physicality than Shore ever did.

This possibly opens up spots for younger players like Amadio and Brodzinski to get more ice time.

 

[Willard]

It's a good trade for the Kings. Gaborik wasn't playing and the Kings were paying him huge to do absolutely nothing. That's a buyout in the making for the Senators, and better for them to buy out Gaborik than to buy out Phaneuf. Shore was expendable and never became what the Kings were expecting. Also half the Kings forwards are centers, many 2-way centers. Out goes Shore this season, in comes Vilardi next season. This roster with Phaneuf playing 16 to 20 mins and Carter about to return, can get the Kings to the postseason.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I don't want to sound like a negative Nancy but he's not even valuable on the PP these days - 4 points in 53 games.

I'll stand by my sweet comment. Brown has 1 PP point since mid Nov. Pearson doesn't do anything on the PP either. Doughty can't get his shot through from the point. Phaneuf can't hit the net on the PP. It all fits together.

In my opinion, AEG is tired of paying people to not play or coach the LA Kings. Instead of simply buying Gaborik out, Ownership just signed off on spending more money in real dollars so they can have a player that Management is telling them can help the team.

It's not a good sign for the "blow it up" crowd, but you have to appreciate that AEG is agreeing to spend more money here. Of course, they really want to make the playoffs, get some home playoff games and drum up more season seat interest but I'll take that over Melnyk making trades simply to save himself money.

I can't agree more. Not like it's that much money in the professional sports universe, but when you're having to pay Purcell and Scuderi NHL money to either play in the AHL, or sit at home, at some point you probably get sick of it.

They weren't going to buy Gaborik out. So they either have the 8th-13th PP specialist forward making $5m, or see if Phaneuf can eat some minutes up on D as the 4th or 5th guy. If he can't, he can't, and the Kings aren't really any worse off. It'll just be Phaneuf instead of Gaborik helping them get a better draft pick.

 

[KingsCourt]

Which is the biggest complaint I have.

The roster got older and slower. So much for all the folks around here clamoring for youth and speed in the lineup. Suppose to be transitioning away from Lombardi/Sutter type players.

Blake just added two on the wrong side of 30 years of age.

He's not Jesus, how'd you expect to turn Gabby into young productive players...was dealt the hand, I like, if we get 18 mins of decent (nothing special) defence from dion...i'm good.

 

[KingTrouty]

Found this in the OTT sub. This makes me happy. If Dion is a hit, we destroyed this trade.

buying out Gaborik this off season would be a Pierre Dorion move (dumb move). Gaboriks buyout + Phaneuf retention would mean 3.25, 4.65 and 4.75M in dead cap space for the next three seasons then 1.2 for the next three seasons after.

 

[fsanford]

Which is the biggest complaint I have.

The roster got older and slower. So much for all the folks around here clamoring for youth and speed in the lineup. Suppose to be transitioning away from Lombardi/Sutter type players.

Blake just added two on the wrong side of 30 years of age.

But he eliminated one on the wrong side of 35.. A Ferrari without a motor will stay sitting in the garage

 

[KingTrouty]

I'll stand by my sweet comment. Brown has 1 PP point since mid Nov. Pearson doesn't do anything on the PP either. Doughty can't get his shot through from the point. Phaneuf can't hit the net on the PP. It all fits together.



I can't agree more. Not like it's that much money in the professional sports universe, but when you're having to pay Purcell and Scuderi NHL money to either play in the AHL, or sit at home, at some point you probably get sick of it.

They weren't going to buy Gaborik out. So they either have the 8th-13th PP specialist forward making $5m, or see if Phaneuf can eat some minutes up on D as the 4th or 5th guy. If he can't, he can't, and the Kings aren't really any worse off. It'll just be Phaneuf instead of Gaborik helping them get a better draft pick.

Yeah, it's only a difference of ~$300k AAV.

Phaneuf, really, just needs to be a mainstay on D, even if it's 5/6 for this trade to work (assuming Gabby doesn't retire outright). But if he flourishes in top 4, my gosh.

 

[BigKing]

I'll stand by my sweet comment. Brown has 1 PP point since mid Nov. Pearson doesn't do anything on the PP either. Doughty can't get his shot through from the point. Phaneuf can't hit the net on the PP. It all fits together.



I can't agree more. Not like it's that much money in the professional sports universe, but when you're having to pay Purcell and Scuderi NHL money to either play in the AHL, or sit at home, at some point you probably get sick of it.

They weren't going to buy Gaborik out. So they either have the 8th-13th PP specialist forward making $5m, or see if Phaneuf can eat some minutes up on D as the 4th or 5th guy. If he can't, he can't, and the Kings aren't really any worse off. It'll just be Phaneuf instead of Gaborik helping them get a better draft pick.

Richards/Greene/Sutter

 

[Sol]

Because increased ice time + increased responsibility leads to overall decreased performance when factoring in fatigue and tougher matchups.

Sorry letlme rephrase that, i was in a rush, what makes you think they will do worse than Forbort?

 

[Fat Elvis]

It's possible Phaneuf can be effective as a shut-down dman logging 18-20 a night. Asking him to play 22-26 would be a mistake. Asking him to be a point producing dman would be a mistake. Asking him to focus on being a shut-down dman could be a win for LA. Keep it simple, be hard to play against, make the safe play etc...

 

[damacles1156]

Richards/Greene/Sutter

Dang, forgot about those contracts.

The Kings have a lot of salary they are paying people to not coach/play.

 

[King'sPawn]

Sorry letlme rephrase that, i was in a rush, what makes you think they will do worse than Forbort?

I don't know if I would say they will do worse than Forbort.

But I expect a decline in performance, fans handwringing in response, and the same fans wanting Forbort's replacement to be replaced.

 

[damacles1156]

I don't know if I would say they will do worse than Forbort.

But I expect a decline in performance, fans handwringing in response, and the same fans wanting Forbort's replacement to be replaced.

Hehe,

Remember how easy it was going to be to replace Stoll, or how about Matt Greene.

"Oh Stoll is a dime a dozen we can replace Greene with an AHL 4th liner"....Yeah I remember those comments. Heck have the Kings had a 4th line Center that was stable like Colin Fraser ? I would argue no.

It's awesome to witness people realize that NHL players are really hard to find, also draft.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Sorry letlme rephrase that, i was in a rush, what makes you think they will do worse than Forbort?

The fact that Forbort has a better CF%, GF% and expected metrics than any d-man not named Muzzin or Doughty despite facing the toughest competition and the highest dzone start percentage (except for poor martinez) and lowest ozone start percentage (relative zone start ratio -5.45).

In other words, outside of raw scoring, Forbort gets a better result from shot ratios and goal ratios despite eating the big minutes than any of our d-men but Doughty and Muzzin.

I'm not at all assuming other guys will be worse, especially given many of them haven't been in that position, but he's done an unsung 20 minutes a night in many situations and passed with flying colors. And that's even with the terrible stretch of games he's played lately.

And before the inevitable 'lol advanced stats' keep in mind those are simple counting stats. Despite starting in the dzone vs. ozone a large order of magnitude more than most of our other guys, and against the toughest competition, and despite his handling the puck like a hot potato, he's effective enough to limit shots/goals against and maximize shots/goals for better than any d-man not named Doughty or Muzzin.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[BigKing]

Dang, forgot about those contracts.

The Kings have a lot of salary they are paying people to not coach/play.

Could have been lump sum payments and the damage is already done but it doesn't change the fact that they had to pay people to go away.

You can easily argue that the difference in Gaborik at full cap v. the buyout cap is still a win for the latter but I don't think AEG is signing up for more "penalty" money.

Whatever anyone thinks about Phaneuf and the trade, this shows me a commitment from AEG to still spend money on this team if they believe it makes the team better. That's a good place to be in as a fan as long as the money being spent is being spent wisely. In this case, it has very little impact on the CAP and offers more potential for wins than standing pat with Gaborik so I like it.

Now, it could be a disaster. I liked the Sekera trade as well and fully got the reasoning behind it but everything that could go wrong with it did except for re-signing him to a giant contract. The reasoning here on this trade is sound but, you know, Thompson could keep getting banged up with Phaneuf being a nightmare while Shore becomes a solid 4th line fixture at a cap hit barely over $1MM.

 

[AlphaBravo]

We need Dwight King back. He is our missing piece.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[deaderhead28]

Remember This Hit By Phaneuf on Kopi?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Remember This Hit By Phaneuf on Kopi?

The Kings players on the roster today would've just stared at Kopitar, asked if he's ok, and then one guy would've hugged Phaneuf.

 

[BigKing]

Remember This Hit By Phaneuf on Kopi?

O'Donnell is such a stud. Similar to how he flew in on Drake after he boarded Bodger in '99. Too bad OD got pulled away here unlike with Drake.

 

[driller1]

Sorry letlme rephrase that, i was in a rush, what makes you think they will do worse than Forbort?

The fact that Forbort has a better CF%, GF% and expected metrics than any d-man not named Muzzin or Doughty despite facing the toughest competition and the highest dzone start percentage (except for poor martinez) and lowest ozone start percentage (relative zone start ratio -5.45).

In other words, outside of raw scoring, Forbort gets a better result from shot ratios and goal ratios despite eating the big minutes than any of our d-men but Doughty and Muzzin.

I'm not at all assuming other guys will be worse, especially given many of them haven't been in that position, but he's done an unsung 20 minutes a night in many situations and passed with flying colors. And that's even with the terrible stretch of games he's played lately.

And before the inevitable 'lol advanced stats' keep in mind those are simple counting stats. Despite starting in the dzone vs. ozone a large order of magnitude more than most of our other guys, and against the toughest competition, and despite his handling the puck like a hot potato, he's effective enough to limit shots/goals against and maximize shots/goals for better than any d-man not named Doughty or Muzzin.

Ladue can't handle Forbort's role because Ladue is a puck moving dman who doesn't move the puck very well when under pressure. He'll eat the puck a disproportionate number of times, then lose the resulting board battle. Then he flounders all over the place when he defends. Forbort handles the puck like a grenade, but at least he can play defense after turning the puck over.

 

[KingsFan7824]

O'Donnell is such a stud. Similar to how he flew in on Drake after he boarded Bodger in '99. Too bad OD got pulled away here unlike with Drake.

And Courtnall.

And it looks like he almost stepped on Kopitar's head. Always amazed there aren't more skate blade related injuries.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[sinister6000]

People were talking about Phanuef coming to the Kings, but i didn't believe it. The Kings got tougher and more physical with this deal. I Just hope Carter comes back soon, they need him, and his speed.