Recalled/Assigned: Marco Kasper - Emergency Recall

[lilidk]

I don't necessarily disagree.

For me, the length of the drought along with the fact that i don't see a Stanley Cup contender materializing before my eyes, is starting to take it's toll. Now this is ofcourse subjective, and if you feel like you see a future Stanley Cup contender i understand why you feel different.

I've mentioned it before, but i will a 100% blame Yzerman for the state of the defense. The vets that he's signed, for quite some money aswell, are just not doing it. We haven't had a OK defense since Kronwall and even then we complained, you have to go back to Lidström to find a good defense. After 5 years i would have expected us not to only being able to depend on Seider.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that i'm seeing cracks... Hope i'm wrong, and i'm not totally a doomer yet.

I like to see end of the season Kane and Tarasenko gone, instead get solid top 4 defansman.

 

[Gniwder]

But no, since Yzerman has come, they have stabilized and turned it around and it would be a shock if they missed the playoffs this year.

Really? Are you saying the Wings are a lock for a playoff spot after being completely outplayed in the first 5 games?

They've played so poorly that I'm now projecting Kasper to stay up with the club instead of getting sent back to GR. Whatever deficiencies he may have, he's still better than half the forwards if not more, and I think both Stevie and Lalonde are desperate to get into the playoffs. Mazur will probably still spend the season in GR unless there are serious injuries that takes a player out for more than a month.

Anyways, would it make you guys feel better if I said historically mediocre? LOL.

 

[RRhoads]

Personally, I think the biggest problem with the team is the coach, not the players. He seems incapable of adjusting strategies, defensive zone coverage, and breakouts.

 

[Pavels Dog]

They've played so poorly that I'm now projecting Kasper to stay up with the club instead of getting sent back to GR.

Did you spend the last couple of days trying to think of a way to twist Kasper's emergence into a negative?

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Did you spend the last couple of days trying to think of a way to twist Kasper's emergence into a negative?

 

[jkutswings]

Did you spend the last couple of days trying to think of a way to twist Kasper's emergence into a negative?

Oh c'mon, nobody is THAT contrarian. I mean, something like that is completely backwards from everything that these boards should be about.

It's so backwards that it needs its own word. Like, what's Red Wing spelled backw...

Nevermind.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Oh c'mon, nobody is THAT contrarian. I mean, something like that is completely backwards from everything that these boards should be about.

It's so backwards that it needs its own word. Like, what's Red Wing spelled backw...

Nevermind.

 

[Ulysses31]

I think there’s a middle ground between Buffalo and Detroit lol. Buffalo brings up kids way too early - I’m not saying to do that either. I’m not saying all of Mazur, Kasper, Danielson, Cossa, ASP, MBN, Buchelnikov, Lombardi should be in the team this year. That’s what Buffalo has done and that obviously doesn’t work.

But also 0 rookies isn’t good either.

i agree with you to some degree. Over the pass few years they have to be keen on adding roughly 1 rookie a year (2 when needed, raymond n seider). This year they had added johansson and (maybe?) kasper. Next year guessing at least 1 of cossa, mazur, danielson, etc.

If we get roughly 1.5 rookies a year i think thats a decent balance of building a team first culture/not setting up rookies to fail/ making sure rookies are as ready as possible etc

EDIT not sure on exactly on timeline for every1 but guessing players like wallinder, soderblom, tuomisto will b getting NHL looks whenever they become waiver exempt, so could be cramming a lot of rookies in the roster over next couple years

 

[Konnan511]

Oh c'mon, nobody is THAT contrarian. I mean, something like that is completely backwards from everything that these boards should be about.

It's so backwards that it needs its own word. Like, what's Red Wing spelled backw...

Nevermind.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Oh c'mon, nobody is THAT contrarian. I mean, something like that is completely backwards from everything that these boards should be about.

It's so backwards that it needs its own word. Like, what's Red Wing spelled backw...

Nevermind.

 

[newfy]

i agree with you to some degree. Over the pass few years they have to be keen on adding roughly 1 rookie a year (2 when needed, raymond n seider). This year they had added johansson and (maybe?) kasper. Next year guessing at least 1 of cossa, mazur, danielson, etc.

If we get roughly 1.5 rookies a year i think thats a decent balance of building a team first culture/not setting up rookies to fail/ making sure rookies are as ready as possible etc

EDIT not sure on exactly on timeline for every1 but guessing players like wallinder, soderblom, tuomisto will b getting NHL looks whenever they become waiver exempt, so could be cramming a lot of rookies in the roster over next couple years

Yeah and I guess you can throw Edvinsson full time NHL this year into that mix as well. So they might be looking at 3 rookies added just this year, 2 of which are considered pretty high end.

All these extra 2nd and later extra picks that have been added to the system the last while are going to start running out of exemption in the coming years. They wont be able to add all of them as rookies, but this is the point where if they look like they could be NHLers, Yzerman can swing some trades for some immediate help.

At the deadline last year I remember reading a lot of chatter about teams really liking Wallinder for example. But if you're adding/have Seider, Edvinsson, ASP, others in GR+ the system, you can afford to move a Wallinder in a package for a right handed damn to play with Edvinsson for example.

The rebuild is actually coming to a point where a lot of it is going to end up on NHL ice instead of in the minors/junior like we've followed the last few years

 

[Snuggs]

I think it's more likely we see another Walman head scratcher trade vs a trade bringing in a productive player shipping out NHL ready or near NHL ready prospects.

 

[AtlantaHotWings]

I think it's more likely we see another Walman head scratcher trade vs a trade bringing in a productive player shipping out NHL ready or near NHL ready prospects.

Curious what you thinking ?

 

[Winger98]

Yeah and I guess you can throw Edvinsson full time NHL this year into that mix as well. So they might be looking at 3 rookies added just this year, 2 of which are considered pretty high end.

All these extra 2nd and later extra picks that have been added to the system the last while are going to start running out of exemption in the coming years. They wont be able to add all of them as rookies, but this is the point where if they look like they could be NHLers, Yzerman can swing some trades for some immediate help.

At the deadline last year I remember reading a lot of chatter about teams really liking Wallinder for example. But if you're adding/have Seider, Edvinsson, ASP, others in GR+ the system, you can afford to move a Wallinder in a package for a right handed damn to play with Edvinsson for example.

The rebuild is actually coming to a point where a lot of it is going to end up on NHL ice instead of in the minors/junior like we've followed the last few years

If Wallinder takes off this year we might just look at him and ASP filling out the top4 in a couple of seasons. Crazy to think we might actually pull that many home grown D out of our system but it's looking possible.

 

[Gniwder]

Did you spend the last couple of days trying to think of a way to twist Kasper's emergence into a negative?

What a ridiculous comment. Yeah, he's improved so much in his 2 games with GR, that's what forced Stevie to put him on the roster. Kasper hasn't changed at all in the past 2 weeks.

He looked better in preseason than he did in this game where he had a secondary assist and shot 2 ft wide of the net. Fact of the matter is, the veteran forwards suck way worse than expected. I think Tank and Kane get split up and one of them winds up on Kasper's line.

If you want to give me shit for being overly optimistic about the veteran forwards, then go for it. Optimism isn't my strong suit anyways.

 

[Gniwder]

Yeah and I guess you can throw Edvinsson full time NHL this year into that mix as well. So they might be looking at 3 rookies added just this year, 2 of which are considered pretty high end.

All these extra 2nd and later extra picks that have been added to the system the last while are going to start running out of exemption in the coming years. They wont be able to add all of them as rookies, but this is the point where if they look like they could be NHLers, Yzerman can swing some trades for some immediate help.

At the deadline last year I remember reading a lot of chatter about teams really liking Wallinder for example. But if you're adding/have Seider, Edvinsson, ASP, others in GR+ the system, you can afford to move a Wallinder in a package for a right handed damn to play with Edvinsson for example.

The rebuild is actually coming to a point where a lot of it is going to end up on NHL ice instead of in the minors/junior like we've followed the last few years

Guys like Wallinder and Buium aren't gonna fetch an NHL level player. The other issue being that the Wings are capped out. If anything Wallinder or another prospect might get thrown into a cap dump. A cap dump (Holl or Husso) has to happen first.

 

[Ulysses31]

wouldnt trade wallinder personally.

big, fast, good puck handling D man.

 

[datsyukfan]

Guys like Wallinder and Buium aren't gonna fetch an NHL level player. The other issue being that the Wings are capped out. If anything Wallinder or another prospect might get thrown into a cap dump. A cap dump (Holl or Husso) has to happen first.

Husso expires after this year why would we cap dump him

 

[Gniwder]

Husso expires after this year why would we cap dump him

I'm saying there has to be a cap dump in order to trade for a roster player. Not saying it's a wise move to trade at all. You gotta read the post I'm responding to.

You can totally misinterpret someone by jumping into a conversation without reading the whole thing.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Oh c'mon, nobody is THAT contrarian. I mean, something like that is completely backwards from everything that these boards should be about.

It's so backwards that it needs its own word. Like, what's Red Wing spelled backw...

Nevermind.

 

[stillwater]

Husso expires after this year why would we cap dump him

I would agree that he hasn't shown much life, but this is certainly a grim prediction.

 

[cvaicunas]

This is a wrong move. Neither Yzerman nor Lalonde have the slightest idea what they are doing.
I guess I am one of the very few on this board who thinks so.

However, on the main board, a big majority of the posters think that yzerplan is not so great after all. Some think it might be bad.

Yea the main board seems to be actively cheering for the demise of the Wings and Yzerman. There's little acknowledgement there in regards to how devoid of players this organization was when Yzerman took over. Most takes are centered around the bad contracts, and that fact that our recent first round draft picks are not playing in the NHL, which obviously means that they suck.

 

[cvaicunas]

I know exactly what you mean. I mocked up

Ras-Lark-Ray
Cat-JT-Kane
Berg-Marco-Tank
Fish-Copp-JV
Motte plugs in anywhere on that 4th line

But obviously Ras on the top line leaves a lot to be desired, unless he somehow magically develops a 2002 Todd Bertuzzi game.

I think the chemistry between Ray and Larks could offset the addition of Raz on that line. Problem for me is, that second line did not look great last season if memory serves me right.

 

[jkutswings]

I'm saying there has to be a cap dump in order to trade for a roster player. Not saying it's a wise move to trade at all. You gotta read the post I'm responding to.

You can totally misinterpret someone by jumping into a conversation without reading the whole thing.

Exactly. But it's you that misinterpreted the situation. The post you replied to was not suggesting to trade one of those players NOW. Here's the actual excerpt (emphasis mine):

All these extra 2nd and later extra picks that have been added to the system the last while are going to start running out of exemption in the coming years. They wont be able to add all of them as rookies, but this is the point where if they look like they could be NHLers, Yzerman can swing some trades for some immediate help.

At the deadline last year I remember reading a lot of chatter about teams really liking Wallinder for example. But if you're adding/have Seider, Edvinsson, ASP, others in GR+ the system, you can afford to move a Wallinder in a package for a right handed damn to play with Edvinsson for example.

The rebuild is actually coming to a point where a lot of it is going to end up on NHL ice instead of in the minors/junior like we've followed the last few years

I think we all agree that it would be dumb to ditch a prospect now just to shed cap space. But that's not what was proposed - making that trade once a deal or two comes off the books is a lot more straightforward.

 

[stillwater]

Yea the main board seems to be actively cheering for the demise of the Wings and Yzerman. There's little acknowledgement there in regards to how devoid of players this organization was when Yzerman took over. Most takes are centered around the bad contracts, and that fact that our recent first round draft picks are not playing in the NHL, which obviously means that they suck.

You must ignore them and find the beauty in others.

It's always been the same way. You have people here just to troll, others here just to argue ... and then others who are here because they've made "friends" here. Some will complain right up to and after a Game 7 Stanley Cup Final loss. They'll claim that this one, or that one is responsible ... and they'll never change their tone ... because that would mean admitting that they were wrong and THAT will never happen for most here. If things are good, they just stay away. This will never change here.

I come here just for news. I've always wondered aloud why there isn't a "stickied" catch-all news thread.

There are very few posters I look for to read their takes, Newfy, Petes2424 .. a few of the euro posters. Never read a single "Keats" post ... just not interested. Not interested in running moving quotes. Nothing personal at all, just not why I spend my valuable few minutes a day here.