Player Discussion Marc Staal
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Rangerfans
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Amazing Kreiderman
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It warms my heart to see this haha.
McDonagh-Smith
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Holden-Girardi
Clendening
Buy-out Staal, trade Klein, send Kampfer down to Hartford. DONE
Rangerfans
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Completely agree. Unfortunately, I believe Clendening is done after this season.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Did you watch the Rangers from 07-08-10-11? Staal was a superior player. He looks like a non-NHL player in most situations out on the ice now though.
He should sit when Girardi comes back. Feels like the team is giving up lots more odd man rushes and net front shots without Girardi, amazingly/sadly.
See if the D can somewhat stabilize. That will never happen tho even tho it's pretty clearly the most logical decision
Pavel Buchnevich
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I should've specified better. By that, I meant that I don't know why the consensus is that Staal is the better current player. Thats what most seem to think, but I don't personally agree with it.
And I'm not a Staal hater. I think he has usually had his uses, but he's had a bad season, especially recently.
Chimpradamus
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Come on now. The only reason you start thinking Girardi is better than Staal, is because Girardi is injured and isn't playing. People just sort of forget how awful he is.
You see which terrible hockey Staal plays and thinks: "Come on, Girardi can't be worse than this..."
Well yes he can. At the very best, Girardi makes par with Staal in terms of awfulness. He's usually worse. So stop getting any ideas before Girardi is back on the ice for 20 minutes a game, to compete with Staal who is the worst defenseman on the team (and possibly the league).
Rangerfans
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What kills me about Staal is the guy is 6'4 and NEVER uses his body. It's an absolute travesty. I understand he is a shell of his former self with all the injuries, etc. but the dude is terrible (as is Girardi, of course).
Ideally, I would get rid of both Staal and Girardi and keep Clendening (and hopefully we get Shattenkirk).
G has been better than Staal this season.
Staal was marginally better than cracked knee cap G last season. With G's NMC turning into a modified NTC, I'd rather roll the dice that someone will be willing to take him/he ends up being a LTIR casualty than hoping that Staal "bounces back" or can be moved.
Staal was marginally better than cracked knee cap G last season. With G's NMC turning into a modified NTC, I'd rather roll the dice that someone will be willing to take him/he ends up being a LTIR casualty than hoping that Staal "bounces back" or can be moved.
Only reason Girardi has looked better than Staal is because he hasn't played in a few weeks lol.
They're both awful, but Staal-Holden was decent for the first half of the season.
They're both awful, but Staal-Holden was decent for the first half of the season.
RangerFan10
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I understand it's easy to like the guy who is a cheap waiver claim that needs to fight for his roster spot vs. the underachieving veteran who is perceived to not be giving it full effort and generally isn't going to be a healthy scratch, but what is the love affair with Clendening?
He's been on 5 different NHL teams before turning 25 for a reason.
What is our fan base's obsession with guys like this yet every time Staal or Girardi doesn't hit a two-line tape-to-tape pass on every outlet or bring offense we want to sub in an AHL defenseman/7th d-man?
He's been on 5 different NHL teams before turning 25 for a reason.
What is our fan base's obsession with guys like this yet every time Staal or Girardi doesn't hit a two-line tape-to-tape pass on every outlet or bring offense we want to sub in an AHL defenseman/7th d-man?
Zil
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Google, HFBoards' search function, and most analytics sites like corsica are free to use just fyi.
RangerFan10
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Cool, I will pass that info along to Jim Rutherford and the Pens along with Peter Chiarelli and the Oilers. I know they've just been kicking themselves this season with the major decline they've felt on D since they both sent Clendening packing. It's going to be a tough stretch of games here to solidify their place in the playoffs without him.
I'll CC the Ducks and Hawks on the communication too. Hard to believe all the Hawks got was Gustav Forsling. Some Sather asset management at work there, huh!?
One Winged Angel
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There's no obsession with Clendening. There's also no *****ing at Staal and Girardi not being able to hit tape-to-tape passes across two lines in which the forward doesn't have to break stride to receive the pass.
What it comes down to is that the Super Corsio Brothers cannot play hockey at a competent NHL level anymore, nevermind even attempting to justify the absolutely disgusting contracts they have. They can't skate (which the eye test clearly shows you) in a day and age in which the game is predicated on speed, they can't move the puck out of their own zone competently (advanced statistics are still in the early stages, but if I could find defensive zone exit success percentages, Girardi and Staal would be two of the absolute worst in the league) and on top of that, they blow their assignments and lose coverage like a couple of kids with ADHD while their parents are talking to them.
The NHL is going through yet another cleansing process, just like it did about 10 years ago, when you started to see players like Derian Hatcher and Mike Rathje phased out of the game. Guys who can't skate, can't move the puck well and provide next to nothing in offensive ability are being phased out again. This time, it's the Rangers that have two of the absolute worst in the game with two horrible contracts to boot.
This isn't your typical HF Boards mob mentality ********. This is the game passing two players by who simply don't have a place in today's game.
silverfish
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What do you see in both the games of Staal and Clendening that make you believe Staal contributes more to the on-ice successes of the Rangers?
Miller Time NYR
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He's never been as good now as he was with those other teams. If he was performing at the same level as he has prior to joining the Rangers - I'd certainly agree with you.
Gustav Forsling is a decent prospect. Clendening was somewhat highly regarded a few years ago.
I'd settle for making the simple 10 foot pass out of the D zone.
They both suck at that, especially Staal.
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Sad how far Staal (and Girardi) have fallen. Staples on the Rangers blueline for almost a decade but they've aged rather sharply. I don't hate on the organization for the contracts, I thought they were solid deals at the time. It's time to put them out to pasture, though, and Gorton has his work cut out for him.
If there were a 25 Y/O D man out there who played like the current version of Staal, he would not sniff an NHL roster, not even as a 7th guy.
There is no reason to give him a longer leash because of what he was 5 years ago, he's already exhausted all of his "street cred."
There is no reason to give him a longer leash because of what he was 5 years ago, he's already exhausted all of his "street cred."
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Former Rangers D-men I would take over 2016-17 Marc Staal:
Justin Falk
Stu Bickel
Jeff Woywitka
Wade Redden
Roman Hamrlik
Miller Time NYR
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Yea it sucks, I was at the game when Staal took the puck to the eye sad scene and the start of the decline...bolded is key, they were fair deals at the time. People will come back with the hindsight of how we could have used the money but at the time they were fair deals for home grown guys who we weren't going to just let walk.
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