Marc Staal is awesome

[Cassano]

He's barely played away from Stralman all year. Like 90% of the season he's played with Stralman. He played with Stralman even when McDonagh got injured. Are you by any chance looking at his play early in the season. Staal sucked for a while this season until the Chicago game, I don't think people that say he's top 10 defensively mean when he's playing like ****, but rather when he's playing well. I can't think of a game he played without Stralman since then. Both have been healthy and playing together save a few shifts. So either you're looking at games where everyone would admit he sucked because he was coming off an almost career ending injury (on top of other injuries). Or you're looking at a very small sample size of a shift here and there because I don't think he's played away from Staal since he's gotten his game back. Sometimes there's more context than your advanced stats and you fail to look at all of the factors.

This doesn't explain Stralman's godly numbers away from Staal as well.

Stralman = thoroughbred

 

[TheTakedown]

I actually saw a staggering stat about Klein in goals against per 20 minutes of ice time he was second worst on the team and considering that he plays on the 3rd pairing against the worst opposition and his partner who at one point played with Del Zotto and who is supposedly terrible was best on the team, I think it's pretty fair to say Klein sucks. I'd still rather see that pairing than DZ-Moore though. DZ was THAT bad.

Yeah, no...

That is only because when John moore is on the ice, it's equivalent to icing 4 forwards and 1 defenseman... Klein constantly has to watch Moore's butt, which is hard because Moore, while OK defensively, is not quite aware at this time to understand WHEN to pinch, when to stick, when to hustle, when to let off, etc...

Klein has much more experience in this regard, so Klein naturally ends of taking the heat...

It's like when Big brother and little sister were young... Big brother always watched out, little sister was dumb and stupid. When little sister did something wrong, it was because big brother wasn't watching her

 

[Radek27]

Staal stepping up his game while McD is still not 100% has been huge. I really love our whole defense! We are just missing that consistent offensive threat back there to make it complete.

 

[Pugs35]

I think Staal is at his best when he's playing > 20 min a night. He seems to thrive when he's going over the boards every other shift.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This doesn't explain Stralman's godly numbers away from Staal as well.

Stralman = thoroughbred

Stralman had a great start to the year when everyone sucked. He didn't have to come back from a career threatening injury and just seems like his game really fits AV's style so his adjustment wasn't as steep.

 

[True Blue]

I think Staal is at his best when he's playing > 20 min a night. He seems to thrive when he's going over the boards every other shift.

Agreed. His injuries have set him back, but a fully healthy Staal is a top-pairing defenseman in this league. Jackass cannot be allowed to monkey around with his contract.

 

[Raspewtin]

Agreed. His injuries have set him back, but a fully healthy Staal is a top-pairing defenseman in this league. Jackass cannot be allowed to monkey around with his contract.

Thisthisthis.

He HAS to be resigned. He's just entering his prime and gives us a top 5 AT LEAST top 4 d. Pay him. Is like to say give him Hjalmarssons contract but that's serious wishful thinking at this point.

If this becomes another Callahan situation I will blow a ****ing gasket.

 

[McRanger]

Thisthisthis.

He HAS to be resigned. He's just entering his prime and gives us a top 5 AT LEAST top 4 d. Pay him. Is like to say give him Hjalmarssons contract but that's serious wishful thinking at this point.

If this becomes another Callahan situation I will blow a ****ing gasket.

I don't think they ever wanted to keep Callahan. They sorted Girardi out early. If Staal wants to stay, they will do the same to him.

The only possible hiccup is the Carolina Staal-fest, but that might be broken up this summer.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

In terms his the one-on-one play to negate the opposing teams main threat(s), Staal is one of the best I've seen. He has the ability to make another team's superstar a non-factor.

A fitting name for him due his pasty complexion, would be based on a late 70's sitcom, The White Shadow.

 

[broadwayblue]

Agreed. His injuries have set him back, but a fully healthy Staal is a top-pairing defenseman in this league. Jackass cannot be allowed to monkey around with his contract.

There will be no monkeying around with his contract. Staal will get 6x6, give or take.

 

[Inferno]

Thisthisthis.

He HAS to be resigned. He's just entering his prime and gives us a top 5 AT LEAST top 4 d. Pay him. Is like to say give him Hjalmarssons contract but that's serious wishful thinking at this point.

If this becomes another Callahan situation I will blow a ****ing gasket.

Cally is a 5 mil a year player whose opening offer was something like 8 mil a season.

Staal should get about 6 mil a year. Give him 6x6, full NMC, call it a day.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Marc Staal isn't worth 6 mil a year.

5 mil is about right. At most, I'd give him Girardi's contract.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Marc Staal isn't worth 6 mil a year.

5 mil is about right. At most, I'd give him Girardi's contract.

You really think the guy we've seen this playoffs isn't worth $6M? He's a better player than Girardi.

 

[broadwayblue]

You really think the guy we've seen this playoffs isn't worth $6M? He's a better player than Girardi.

He's clearly worth 6M and that's what he'll get. Perhaps he'll give us a discount, but it will be no less than 5.75. He's already making 5.45, so a half a million bucks is hardly a huge raise.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

You really think the guy we've seen this playoffs isn't worth $6M? He's a better player than Girardi.

I like Staal, believe me, but do you really think it's worth paying 6 mil to a defenseman that doesn't put up a whole lot of points?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I like Staal, believe me, but do you really think it's worth paying 6 mil to a defenseman that doesn't put up a whole lot of points?

For one THIS good defensively? Yes.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

For example, McD. He has a beast defensive game, and has the potential to put up 50-60 points year in and year out. That's the kind of defenseman I'd give 6 million to. As great as Staal is, he doesn't have that kind of offensive potential.

I guess I'd be content if he got 5.75 mil, a little bit of a higher raise from Girardi.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

For example, McD. He has a beast defensive game, and has the potential to put up 50-60 points year in and year out. That's the kind of defenseman I'd give 6 million to. As great as Staal is, he doesn't have that kind of offensive potential.

I guess I'd be content if he got 5.75 mil, a little bit of a higher raise from Girardi.

Your point is that Marc Staal is not worth $6 million because you would only give $6 million to defenseman who is not only one of the best in his own zone, but also he routinely puts up 50-60 points.

If you are the GM at that time when McD is up for his new contract, you are definitely entitled to that opinion, but considering that if the cap continues to raise in the same trend and McD become a 50-60 point player, I hope you will not take it personally when "after all this team has done for him," he laughs in your face.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Your point is that Marc Staal is not worth $6 million because you would only give $6 million to defenseman who is not only one of the best in his own zone, but also he routinely puts up 50-60 points.

If you are the GM at that time when McD is up for his new contract, you are definitely entitled to that opinion, but considering that if the cap continues to raise in the same trend and McD become a 50-60 point player, I hope you will not take it personally when "after all this team has done for him," he laughs in your face.

You do make a good point with the cap eventually rising higher than it is now.

Anyways, what was your opinion on the Ryan Callahan situation? Should the Rangers have paid him what he wanted?

 

[True Blue]

Marc Staal isn't worth 6 mil a year.

5 mil is about right. At most, I'd give him Girardi's contract.

Staal is a better player than Girardi.

 

[True Blue]

For one THIS good defensively? Yes.

Not only that, but his price will be more than $6m. And still worth it. Probably take $6.5-$6.75.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Not only that, but his price will be more than $6m. And still worth it. Probably take $6.5-$6.75.

On the open market, yeah, but I think he'll take the discount considering all that has happened and how patient we've been with him. He clearly loves it here.

 

[BroadwayHustle]

You do make a good point with the cap eventually rising higher than it is now.

Anyways, what was your opinion on the Ryan Callahan situation? Should the Rangers have paid him what he wanted?

Yeah if you only pay a McD type Dman 6 million, you won't have anybody playing on your team. The rising cap means he will make more

 

[GraveyTrain9]

I would give Staal 6M/per without thinking twice

 

[AHB*]

I like Staal, believe me, but do you really think it's worth paying 6 mil to a defenseman that doesn't put up a whole lot of points?

If we get him signed for 6 million I will jump for ****ing joy.

And I like my D-Men to ya know, play defense. I don't give a **** about points.