BLONG7
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All this proves is Drouin can't hold a candle to almost every guy on the list....
Soft, perimeter pansy......poor guy is done if he can't play a full season this year.
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Soft, perimeter pansy......poor guy is done if he can't play a full season this year.
Now do that for years with modern drafting, but with an appropriate sample size, let's say 2017 - 1997 :
Above Drouin
Jokinen
Sedin
Gaborik
Bouwmeester
Horton
Toews
Duchene
Huberdeau
Draisaitl
Heiskanen
More or less like Drouin
Stuart
Johnson
Turris
Dubois
Behind Drouin
Svitov
Barker
Bogosian
Gudbranson
Galchenyuk
Strome
He's hardly middle of the pack, more like 12th/20 as both Turris and Dubois success at center made/make them more valuable. The fact that Bergevin traded a very good developped prospect in Sergachev for him (more value than a 3rd pick) is what make that trade truly a loss.
As a draft pick Drouin is a little underwhelming while not a disaster.
Duchene is questionable, IMO. He has played a lot more games, so we will only know when Drouin catches up.
Stuart and Johnson are worse, IMO.
Horton had a lot of promise, but in the end, I think that they are around the same level.
Why do you end at Jokinen? Seems cherry picking-esque!
To me, Drouin is the worst 3rd overall forward since Svitov (2013-2001). I said it years ago (2015?2016?) and still stand by it.
Yes, even under Galchenyuk (who had the higher peak but also had a lot more injuries than Drouin).
Of those after, Strome may dethrone him. Maybe KK if he continues his downward spiral (although I expect him to get better and surpass Drouin/Strome).
So, Just to be clear: Turris is WAY better than Drouin? Turris only eclipsed Drouin in points after playing about twice as many games. Turris had about 1-3 useful years in mid to late career.
If we look at Drouin's career, he played:
- 1 full year,
- sent down to minors,
- another full year,
- traded and was "asked" to play another position for a year.
- The next year, "asked" to play another position.
- Covid shortened.
- Covid Shortened/left for personal reasons that are yet unexplained.
Yet he still vastly out scored Turris during the same development time ... significantly.
Hey, man, don't make me the defender of Drouin ... I actually don't like the player, but some of the stuff you guys are saying is cray cray!
Also, Chucky and Drouin had about the same amount of points for their top years ... if Drouin burns out this year and is basically out of the league, it would be a tie. But, if he gets 1-2 more good Drouin seasons, Drouin will be the clear better pick/develop player.
Drouin is very average for his draft position, and given his adversity, doing just fine.
And, since I am a Habs fan, I hope he racks up the points because:
- He could win us games
- He could raise his trade value if he wants to leave.
Zero Stanley Cups in 9 years ?
You do know that there were 30-31 teams during this time laps ? Do you have any idea how many GMs have won the big trophy in the last 9 seasons ?
Zero Stanley Cups in 9 years ?
You do know that there were 30-31 teams during this time laps ? Do you have any idea how many GMs have won the big trophy in the last 9 seasons ?
without even looking it up, I’m going to guess less than 9 … probably closer to 6
Pierre McGuire ? KK has plenty of time to develop, he's still a very young player and hasn't even finished to grow in his frame. Just need to mature
Just to think that the Blues won their first Cup ever after all those yearswithout even looking it up, I’m going to guess less than 9 … probably closer to 6
For the record, I would be super happy if Drouin proves me wrong and goes on to have great seasons. I was down on him before he was a Habs so it's not a fan thing.
Peak Turris was better than peak Drouin. Turris also plays a more prime position. At this point, it remains to be seen if Drouin can do better.
Right now, his peak is not better than Galchenyuk's peak so longevity will have to wait. Right now they have pretty similar career ppg with Galchenyuk having those knees injuries on his side.
Drouin got people all hot and bothered with his QMJHL stats and his NHL 2015-2016 PO stats, but the rest has been far from impressive.
without even looking it up, I’m going to guess less than 9 … probably closer to 6
Since he's been GM:
Chicago Blackhawks (2013,2015)
LA Kings (2014)
Pittsburgh Penguins (2016,2017)
Washington Capitals (2018)
STL Blues (2019)
TB lightning (2020, 2021)
All of them build their core mostly from player drafted prior to 2012.
That’s not what I’m saying at all no. It’s over now, no matter what happens with KK.
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Which just proves that this wasn't about revenge. If someone wants revenge, tries to get it and fails they just say I guess were even now, they will still want revenge and won't stop until they get it.
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You are completely delusional. Everybody in the known Universe knows it was about revenge. The added 20$ bonus is a testament of that. It doesn't mean they don't like the player, though.
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That's what I meant when I said in another thread that a generic 3rd overall pick isn't as valuable as most people think it is. That list is underwhelming. A few jewels for sure, but also a bunch of decent players that aren't going to change your franchise in any significant way.
With the exception of Jonathan Toews, there isn't another player on that list whose team build around him from day one and won a championship with. Niedermayer is close, but he benefits from retroactive overrating of his New Jersey days from his Anaheim peak and "chouchou" media reputation. He was good in the playoffs even in NJ though.
There's a lot of randomness, but it illustrates what a crapshoot a 3rd overall pick really is.
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I think that’s pretty obvious. Sure, they definitely wanted KK a little as they had to know there was a possibility of Montreal matching, but anyone who thinks this was purely a hockey move is out to lunch.
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I still would. He's really just a bad player.
I know Bergevin has not and his drafting record is atrocious.....Zero Stanley Cups in 9 years ?
You do know that there were 30-31 teams during this time laps ? Do you have any idea how many GMs have won the big trophy in the last 9 seasons ?
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Do you want me to post a bunch of articles where people are saying it's not about revenge.
And I'll ask again, if this is revenge then it's only over if KK does well right? Because if KK struggles then Dundon hasn't gotten any revenge so we should expect an offer sheet for Suziki in that case right?
BLONG7
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Let's hope Suzuki gets locked up way before any foolish offer sheets come calling.....this was a fiasco....and with any luck at all, the new GM will be taking care of it...
I think it was more like, we need x type of player, but there are none on the UFA market. There might be some on the RFA market … look, KK + a bunch of other players. Love them all, but let’s OS KK cause the Habs did it to us and they are hard against the cap. (If we did it to another team they may try payback on us when WE are hard against the cap).
So, not exactly payback, but the fact that we tried to get Aho paved the way for this, IMO.
I don’t think the Canes did it only for payback, though.
MB said it might have been better to leave KK in europe for an extra year but then again KK has not improved so who thinks KK would be with the habs by now, he might still be in europe looking for his game, 5 -6 goals per year does not bring you up to the NHL:.
Yeah it's funny seeing how he hated the least hint of arrogance from his players on the ice. He needs to bring both sides to an even keel.
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