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Fun fact: the Sox are paying 183 million dollars for that roster this year.

And for what? Cease and Anderson are the only two guys worth a damn.

Edit: And Hendriks too. Forgot he's just trying to come back from lymphoma.
 
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How many more years does Vladdy need to play, to be considered the best Blue Jay to play for them?
 
Halladay and Delgado are at the top for me since i was either not around yet or too young to witness Alomar's prime in Toronto.

Halladay was a hall of famer just based off his time in Toronto alone. Delgado was my favorite Jay growing up. 9 straight seasons of 20 homers or better as a Jay (13 total), multi-time silver slugger winner, heart and soul of that team (mostly because there was no one else around him but still) and he always made games at least worth paying attention to.

It's a damn shame a player of his caliber is straight up ignored for the HOF and only got one real shot at a world series. If we can have bums like Jack Morris and Harold Baines get in, Carlos at least deserves consideration.
 
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How many more years does Vladdy need to play, to be considered the best Blue Jay to play for them?
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I think it depends on your question, are you talking best player to play for the team (could be short with the Jays, but insane years) or the best career with the Jays? I'm not sure he's close to either tbh and who knows if he'll ever get there.

For first criteria I doubt he ever touches Clemens in 97' and his 10.7 fWAR season lol, and it's not like he's been overly close to JD in 15', Joey in 11', or Olerud in 93' who have the only non-Clemens 8+ fWAR seasons in team history (and I still believe Joey should have won MVP in 2011).

If you're talking career Blue Jay I think he's even further away because he could realistically have the type of season that the others have had. Gun to my head Doc is the best Jay and he has 38.7 more fWAR with the Jays than Vlad currently has. For reference I think Joey is the best Jays position player ever too, and he has a 36.2 fWAR with the team. If Vladdy can consistely be around his 2021-self I'd say it takes him maybe ~4 more seasons to catch Joey, and ~6 to be the best Jay ever. If hes closer to 2022 youre talking 6+ years to reach Joey. This isn't even mentioning Delgado who has a higher career wRC+, and 34.7 fWAR, or Stieb who had 43.6 career fWAR with the Jays. At this point longevity is his best friend in the debate if he signs here longterm because be could easily play more than anyone else in their history.

Now Bo on the other hand has like ~3 more fWAR in almost 450 less PA and 128 wRC+ compared to Vlads 135. Besides McGriff and Donaldson, those numbers are right up there with the best in their history. I think Bo's path to being best ever is a lot clearer if he's willing to sign here long-term, but Vlad could end up the best offensive player in their history.
 
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Blue Jays' shot at comeback, perfect homestand halted by Mariners

"It just comes down to executing pitches, really, and they've been on such a roll," manager John Schneider said of the bullpen.
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The inning unravelled from there. Kelenic walked. So did Cal Raleigh — also the beneficiary of a generous ball — then Bassitt hit Teoscar Hernández with a pitch to load the bases. Then, in his first at-bat of the season, left fielder Taylor Trammell hit a changeup over the right-field fence for a grand slam, putting the Mariners up 4-0.

After the game, Bassitt didn’t want to delve deep into his thoughts on the calls in the inning.

“I ain’t going to talk about the first,” he said. “We know what happened. It’s part of it. It is what it is. Umpiring is hard.”

After releasing obvious frustration by slamming an iPad in the dugout between innings, Bassitt was at least able to put the four-spot behind him and came back to pitch four scoreless innings, finishing with four runs on two hits with seven strikeouts and four walks over five innings. Blue Jays manager John Schneider called Bassitt a “pro” for regrouping.

“He was frustrated after that first, but I think bearing down and getting through five, and it sucks for him that the pitch count got where it did, probably unnecessarily, as well as the score,” Schneider said. “Just can’t say enough about his composure to lock it back in. That’s what he does.”

For a while, it looked like Toronto would earn redemption for Bassitt. The offence cut into the Mariners’ lead straight away when Matt Chapman hit a double into the left-field corner that scored two runs in the bottom of the first. With two out and two on in the second, Bo Bichette gave the Blue Jays their first lead when he hit a gigantic, 460-foot three-run home run, putting them up 5-4. They added three more runs in the third inning to take an 8-4 lead.

But these Mariners know a thing or two about coming back at Rogers Centre. Toronto’s bullpen came into the game on a heater, not allowing a run or hit across its last 15 innings, but couldn’t hold the lead this time.

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“He’s not very tough to pitch to when you execute your pitches,” Schneider said of Raleigh. “He’s hitting .200, but I know he’s done damage against us. … He’s obviously got big damage potential, and he’s got a lot of strikeout potential, too. And when you execute your pitches, you usually get the job done.”

Missed execution is what it came down to from the bullpen and the Blue Jays, who made a couple of misplays, didn’t capitalize and didn’t have the type of clean game they’ve been preaching.

“It just comes down to executing pitches, really, and they’ve been on such a roll,” Schneider said of the bullpen. “It’s not going to be perfect every single night, and today was just an example of that.”
 
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