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Blitzkrug said:
Outside of Toronto, we have this absolute gem of a rant coming out of ESPN Chicago earlier today; Berto from the west side isn't happy the White Sox are ass garbage.



All time great rant. Dude spit straight truth and somehow held off dropping a single curse word.
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Epic rant

The White Sox, with their ace on the mound, got absolutely destroyed tonight. Game got so lopsided that known 2-way player Luke Raley closed out the game after homering earlier
 
Blitzkrug said:
Outside of Toronto, we have this absolute gem of a rant coming out of ESPN Chicago earlier today; Berto from the west side isn't happy the White Sox are ass garbage.



All time great rant. Dude spit straight truth and somehow held off dropping a single curse word.
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Man, that was awesome. So eloquent and articulate, with conviction, factual, and didn't stumble once when he was speaking. Good on him for absolutely roasting the team in the best way possible.

That rant kind of reminded me of the mid-90s, listening to the Fan and just fans absolutely lamenting everything that was wrong with the Leafs. Those were fun times in which I could just spend hours listening to fans phone calls and feeling the same pain they did.
 
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Suntouchable13 said:
Shapiro did an amazing job with the Jays all around. Rogers did great hiring this guy.
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I’ve always said Shapiro/Atkins are in the top 20 % in the league as far as management duos. Like they really are top notch. The only thing is, AA and the Rays guys are in the top 10 %. Atlanta and the Rays are run at another level it seems. But the Jays are catching up and could make this real interesting.
 
I'm still miffed as to how the O's keep winning.

On paper their lineup is legit good. Strong core of guys with Mountcastle, Mullins, Adley, Hays and Santander (who actually hasn't gotten it going yet weirdly enough) but that rotation looks really blah on paper. Kyle Gibson being on the best run of his career, their bottom 4 arms all with an ERA of above 5. Tyler Wells looks to be a stud in the making tho tbf.

No somehow it's the bullpen being unsustainably good as all their guys have an ERA below 2 sans one dude.

There's no way that holds up all year. It just doesn't.
 
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I am starting to wonder if moving Bass for a similar bullpen piece might be a good move to give him a fresh start. He still could turn the corner this year, but I am wondering how much non-baseball stuff is interfering.
 
Blitzkrug said:
I'm still miffed as to how the O's keep winning.

On paper their lineup is legit good. Strong core of guys with Mountcastle, Mullins, Adley, Hays and Santander (who actually hasn't gotten it going yet weirdly enough) but that rotation looks really blah on paper. Kyle Gibson being on the best run of his career, their bottom 4 arms all with an ERA of above 5. Tyler Wells looks to be a stud in the making tho tbf.

No somehow it's the bullpen being unsustainably good as all their guys have an ERA below 2 sans one dude.

There's no way that holds up all year. It just doesn't.
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Baltimore was a top 10 BP. They are returning 3 guys that made up most of the value (BP are usually top heavy).

They have gas (6 guys who throw 95 or more). Coulombe is striking guys out and not walking guys (which he has never done before). This is a bullpen that could legitimately be one of the best in baseball.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
I'm still miffed as to how the O's keep winning.

On paper their lineup is legit good. Strong core of guys with Mountcastle, Mullins, Adley, Hays and Santander (who actually hasn't gotten it going yet weirdly enough) but that rotation looks really blah on paper. Kyle Gibson being on the best run of his career, their bottom 4 arms all with an ERA of above 5. Tyler Wells looks to be a stud in the making tho tbf.

No somehow it's the bullpen being unsustainably good as all their guys have an ERA below 2 sans one dude.

There's no way that holds up all year. It just doesn't.
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They are similar to the Rays, easy schedule. Soon they will regress.

They have played;

Boston (2022 AL East last place)
Texas (2nd last)
Yankees (1st)
A's (last place)
White Sox (2nd place but .500 team)
Nationals (worst team in baseball)
Detroit (2nd last in the AL central by 1 game)
Boston (last place)

Next up:
Detroit (2nd last)
KC (last place)

Only played 1 playoff team in the Yankees. Lost 2 and the game they won, they were barely victorious winning 7-6 vs Clark Schmidt who couldnt get out of the 4th inning

Record against teams below .500: 11-2
Record against team at, or above .500: 6-6

Balitmore is a good team on the rise and will battle for a playoff spot but i dont see them winning 95+ games.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
I'm still miffed as to how the O's keep winning.

On paper their lineup is legit good. Strong core of guys with Mountcastle, Mullins, Adley, Hays and Santander (who actually hasn't gotten it going yet weirdly enough) but that rotation looks really blah on paper. Kyle Gibson being on the best run of his career, their bottom 4 arms all with an ERA of above 5. Tyler Wells looks to be a stud in the making tho tbf.

No somehow it's the bullpen being unsustainably good as all their guys have an ERA below 2 sans one dude.

There's no way that holds up all year. It just doesn't.
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Mullins and Rutschmann are guys you build your team around. Santander is tough to get a read on because he's done the Eric Hosmer thing where he alternates between looking like a breakout star and being unplayably bad.

I don't get the love for Mountcastle. Outside of games against the Jays, he kinda sucks. A slightly above average bat from a 1B/DH just doesn't cut it. His numbers the last two years are basically the same as Kendrys Morales's numbers with the Jays.
 
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Mullins and Rutschmann are guys you build your team around. Santander is tough to get a read on because he's done the Eric Hosmer thing where he alternates between looking like a breakout star and being unplayably bad.

I don't get the love for Mountcastle. Outside of games against the Jays, he kinda sucks. A slightly above average bat from a 1B/DH just doesn't cut it. His numbers the last two years are basically the same as Kendrys Morales's numbers with the Jays.
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Their lineup is overachieving right now.

Mateo and Urias are both doing great on BABIP (and Mateo has shown power that he never had before). Mateo has at least cut his K rate (though weak competition).

Expect Frasier to course correct the other way (his peripherals are better than his stats) and the Hays is another BABIP.

Santander is simply striking out too much. What he's doing now is what he will continue to do unless that changes.
 
Mateo is hitting like September Bo. Would be incredibly impressed if he even holds like 60% of his current wRC+ by the end of the season
 
MLB updated their draft board to a top 150.

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Historic 1-2 leads new Top 150 Draft Prospects list

In most years, a college team might have one player who sits at or near the top of the Draft and other Draft-eligible teammates benefit from the attention that player gets. Every once in a while, there are duos who both belong in top 10 conversations. Rarely, if ever, have
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Players of interest around our 1st pick;

17. Thomas White, LHP, HS
White checks off a lot of boxes in terms of his size, he’s 6-foot-5, his pure stuff and his left-handedness. He was up to 96-97 mph with his fastball over the summer, missing bats with it up in the zone. He couples it with what could be a plus curveball, thrown with high spin rates in the upper-70s. He doesn’t throw it as much yet, but he showed off enough low-80s changeups to give a sense that he’s going to have a very good three-pitch mix in the future.
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19. Matt Shaw, SS, NCAA
Shaw might be one of the better college hitters in the Draft class. He rarely strikes out and draws walks while making consistently hard contact. He can drive the ball to all fields and he showed off impressive opposite-field power last year for Maryland, with many of his homers going out to right and right-center field. He’s a plus runner who is a legitimate basestealing threat.
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20. Tommy Troy, SS, NCAA

Troy’s standout tool is his ability to make consistent, hard contact from the right side of the plate. He has impressive bat-to-ball skills and rarely strikes out or chases out of the zone, showing excellent pitch recognition, though there are some moving parts of his swing. There’s enough extra-base pop in there for there not to be concerns about impact at the next level and he could have average power in the future. He’s answered some concerns about his approach and lack of walks by being more selective in 2023.
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25. Tanner Witt, RHP, NCAA

Witt has added 20 pounds to his 6-foot-5 frame since arriving in Austin and now deals with a 92-95 mph fastball that reached 97 with impressive run and carry. He already showed advanced feel for spin in high school and owns an upper-70s downer curveball that gives him a second plus offering. His fading low-80s changeup has similar upside and he'll also mix in a two-plane slider in the mid-80s.
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27. Travis Sykora, RHP, HS

Sykora's fastball not only parks at 95-98 mph and can reach 101, but it also comes with a flat approach angle and late arm-side run. He shows the aptitude to locate and miss bats with both of his secondary pitches, which could become plus offerings when fully developed. His short slider and his splitter both sit in the mid-80s, and the latter dives when it approaches the plate.
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28. Ralphy Velazquez, 1/C, HS

Velazquez is a strong and physical left-handed hitter who has the chance to be an impact bat in the middle of a big league lineup one day. He’s been as consistent a hitter as any prepster in Southern California this year and showed an ability to make hard contact and drive the ball when facing excellent competition. There’s a feel to hit, with a ton of raw power for him to continue to tap into. Even though he tinkers with his setup, using a wider base now than he used to, he still routinely finds the barrel.
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That's the second time in as many months DeGrom has been pulled out of a game for those keeping track.

He's damaged goods and the Mets knew it...and then went and replaced him with a 40 year old who also can't get on the field. His injury issues didn't really become so commonplace until he started ramping up his velocity too.
 
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