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Blue Jays Discussion: Manoah gets the Halladay treatment (optioned to rookie-ball to try and fix him)

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It’s been an interesting start for Kikuchi to say the least. He looks better, more confident, etc. but the peripheral stats aren’t that encouraging. He’s still giving up hard contact, he’s in the zone even less than usual, he’s getting less whiffs, and the HR/9 continues to balloon. But, players are chasing his pitches and the slider has been effective.
 
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Anyone hear about a potential Pearson callup soon? He's k rate is awesome and while he has walked too many batters he hasn't given up any hard-hit contact.

If he does, not sure who gets DFA'd.
 
Eyedea said:
It’s been an interesting start for Kikuchi to say the least. He looks better, more confident, etc. but the peripheral stats aren’t that encouraging. He’s still giving up hard contact, he’s in the zone even less than usual, he’s getting less whiffs, and the HR/9 continues to balloon. But, players are chasing his pitches and the slider has been effective.
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I'm not going to try to look this up on my phone, but just from watching his starts I would guess the numbers show that, while he's in the zone less, he's near the zone far more. He's basically just way more in control... last year he either missed by a mile, making it easy for batters to lay off, or just threw it over the middle to try to get a strike and got hammered. This year his pitches outside the zone are at least near the zone, so he's able to induce swings rather than wasting pitches.
 
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This is a rare time i'm going to ignore the peripherals, go "lalalalalala" and perhaps do the occasional rain dance/ritual in regard to Kikuchi.

It's more simple this way and i'd rather be in ignorance when he he starts games lmao. Whatever he's doing, keep doing it.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
This is a rare time i'm going to ignore the peripherals, go "lalalalalala" and perhaps do the occasional rain dance/ritual in regard to Kikuchi.

It's more simple this way and i'd rather be in ignorance when he he starts games lmao. Whatever he's doing, keep doing it.
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To make you feel better, there's 170+ pitchers who have an era higher then 5.00 this season. And 67 of those MLB pitchers have started at least 1 game. If Kikuchi has a 4.80-5.00 era and 120-130 innings over 20-25 starts I’d take that.
 
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I'm not going to try to look this up on my phone, but just from watching his starts I would guess the numbers show that, while he's in the zone less, he's near the zone far more. He's basically just way more in control... last year he either missed by a mile, making it easy for batters to lay off, or just threw it over the middle to try to get a strike and got hammered. This year his pitches outside the zone are at least near the zone, so he's able to induce swings rather than wasting pitches.
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This. He's still getting rocked when he misses his spots, but he's missing them less. And because he can control the fastball more he's getting way more chase on the slider.

When you look at his velocity/movement comparables on Savant there's a lot of 2021 Robbie Ray in there.
 
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Discoverer said:
I'm not going to try to look this up on my phone, but just from watching his starts I would guess the numbers show that, while he's in the zone less, he's near the zone far more. He's basically just way more in control... last year he either missed by a mile, making it easy for batters to lay off, or just threw it over the middle to try to get a strike and got hammered. This year his pitches outside the zone are at least near the zone, so he's able to induce swings rather than wasting pitches.
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He is hitting the edges more frequently, that's for sure. The slider has a more pronounced red zone low/away to LHH compared to middle-middle being lit red in '22/'21. The same can be said for the fastball which has almost exclusively been parked up at the top of the zone. He does leave some mistakes with the slider (evidenced by the 3 homeruns) and the splitter (2 home runs) but he's also getting a lot of chase + contact resulting in more bats being either topped or under. One thing I'd like to see more is whiffs off the splitter. If he starts getting those Ks again while limiting the BBs I couldn't care less about the hard contact a la Gausman.
 
f*** that, shoot Bass into the sun. Pop has been too good to option even if team optics have it being the easiest way forward.

Largely assuming his days as a starter are probably a pipe dream at this point, i hope Nate finds his footing. Both from a roster standpoint because his stuff would be absolutely nasty out of the pen in high leverage situations if he can figure it out. And from a sentimental standpoint because it sucks to see a guy constantly get derailed by injuries/ailment when he had the potential he did.

Edit: never mind, Cimber is hurt.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
f*** that, shoot Bass into the sun. Pop has been too good to option even if team optics have it being the easiest way forward.

Largely assuming his days as a starter are probably a pipe dream at this point, i hope Nate finds his footing. Both from a roster standpoint because his stuff would be absolutely nasty out of the pen in high leverage situations if he can figure it out. And from a sentimental standpoint because it sucks to see a guy constantly get derailed by injuries/ailment when he had the potential he did.

Edit: never mind, Cimber is hurt.
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It's nice that it seems to have worked itself out, but Bass has ranged from solidly reliable to dominant over the last 5 years. I wouldn't be a big fan of bailing on him after 7 shitty innings.
 
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