Management Threads | Structure. Standards. Habits.

[Frankie Blueberries]

Honestly think we should rebuild but on the back end at least, there has been major surgery.

Benning's last season
Hughes-Poolman
OEL-Myers
Hunt-Schenn
Burroughs

Today
Hughes-Cole
Soucy-Hronek
Wolanin-Myers
Hirose

Yeah they’ve done a decent job. Still have some wasted cap with Myers and the glut of wingers.

 

[MarkMM]

Yeah they’ve done a decent job. Still have some wasted cap with Myers and the glut of wingers.

What makes me start feeling better is both those issues (glut of wingers and Myers) are things with a one-season expiry date, and can likely be addressed sooner. So as long as they don't do actively stupid things then things have momentum in the right direction.

 

[F A N]

Honestly think we should rebuild but on the back end at least, there has been major surgery.

Benning's last season
Hughes-Poolman
OEL-Myers
Hunt-Schenn
Burroughs

Today
Hughes-Cole
Soucy-Hronek
Wolanin-Myers
Hirose

You left out Hamonic.

 

[Nick Lang]

just swapping players out isn't really surgery imo

i need to see them rebuild the defense so that it's an actual effective unit. i guess hronek is a start but i'm not sold on him being a significant improvement on ethan bear or luke schenn

cole is just a placeholder and soucy is a nice bottom end guy but again not a big difference over who the canucks have had their before

Really c'mon, Bear is rubbish and a # 7 dman. Schenn is alright but he's also old and slow. Hronek is a huge upgrade on either of those two, plus Cole and Soucy are upgrades wherever they play. That's surgery and it's likely not done yet. Follow up operation next summer.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Really c'mon, Bear is rubbish and a # 7 dman. Schenn is alright but he's also old and slow. Hronek is a huge upgrade on either of those two, plus Cole and Soucy are upgrades wherever they play. That's surgery and it's likely not done yet. Follow up operation next summer.

You're quoting someone who said he's watched tons of Hronek games and then compared him directly to Tyler Myers on the day of the trade.

I wouldn't worry too much about trying to convince him of Hronek's ability.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Yeah they’ve done a decent job. Still have some wasted cap with Myers and the glut of wingers.

Part of the problem is decent is probably the most accurate, best descriptor so far.

Given where they started from and the path they chose to take, decent isn't nearly good enough. They've done some good and some not good things, but still have huge holes and most of the same issues as the dimjim team they inherited.

Maybe hopefully there's more to come by opening day, the current team isn't much improved and still maybe a wildcard contender. Apparently next offseason it's okay to judge, yeah I'd hope so two and a half years is more than enough time to have fixed the same issues we've had seemingly forever.

 

[iFan]

Our D isn’t anything to brag about or to be happy with. Cole and Soucy are decent signings but their both 3rd pairing D man, the fact we need them in our top 4 says a lot about the D core. Hronek is still a big question mark. We have a legit #1 D man and likely a #3/4 guy in Hronek then a bunch of 3rd pairing guys. I give management some credit for a good offseason so far, a lot of our problems where created by Benning. We’re so far away from competing for a cup, I don’t see how they turn it around in time and bring us a cup… I think we needed a complete rebuild but this is the path we’re on.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Part of the problem is decent is probably the most accurate, best descriptor so far.

Given where they started from and the path they chose to take, decent isn't nearly good enough. They've done some good and some not good things, but still have huge holes and most of the same issues as the dimjim team they inherited.

This is really the thing.

Had they taken a more patient approach and accumulated assets the current team with a number of placeholder players would be fine.

Maybe hopefully there's more to come by opening day, the current team isn't much improved and still maybe a wildcard contender. Apparently next offseason it's okay to judge, yeah I'd hope so two and a half years is more than enough time to have fixed the same issues we've had seemingly forever.

The lack of ambition is so apparent. In managements goals and expectation of the retool folk...

 

[rypper]

Our D isn’t anything to brag about or to be happy with. Cole and Soucy are decent signings but their both 3rd pairing D man, the fact we need them in our top 4 says a lot about the D core. Hronek is still a big question mark. We have a legit #1 D man and likely a #3/4 guy in Hronek then a bunch of 3rd pairing guys. I give management some credit for a good offseason so far, a lot of our problems where created by Benning. We’re so far away from competing for a cup, I don’t see how they turn it around in time and bring us a cup… I think we needed a complete rebuild but this is the path we’re on.

What would you have traded Pettersson, Demko, and Hughes for?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

What would you have traded Pettersson, Demko, and Hughes for?

How long will you wait until you put those there in the ring of honor after they've ended their careers playing somewhere else and not having won a thing with us because our management sat on their hands for their first 12 months at the helm?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

How long will you wait until you put those there in the ring of honor after they've ended their careers playing somewhere else and not having won a thing with us because our management sat on their hands for their first 12 months at the helm?

You didn't think this sentence could have used any punctuation?

 

[EXTRAS]

Do you guys think JT Miller continues on the PK this season?

 

[4th line culture]

Do you guys think JT Miller continues on the PK this season?

The selke vote says he has to

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You didn't think this sentence could have used any punctuation?

I would think this is a bit pointless of a post... but you have played ice hockey so instead it must be a valuable contribution to the forums ... like every other post you make it is filled with distilled wisdom that comes out of your hockey playing fingertips.

 

[F A N]

Do you guys think JT Miller continues on the PK this season?

I think so unless our analytics department has some influence.

Miller's ability to win faceoffs alone probably puts him on the PK. If not, Joshua and Raty are pretty much our only hope for decent faceoff prowess as I doubt we'll see a big jump from Petey and Aman (I'm obviously assuming Bleuger will play a big part but somebody needs to take faceoffs on the 2nd unit).

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I would think this is a bit pointless of a post... but you have played ice hockey so instead it must be a valuable contribution to the forums ... like every other post you make it is filled with distilled wisdom that comes out of your hockey playing fingertips.

Why does experience actually doing the thing that we have all spent years on here discussing make some people so insecure?

I'm not saying it means I'm always right or that others are always wrong. But pretending it's irrelevant is burying your head in the sand.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Why does experience actually doing the thing that we have all spent years on here discussing make some people so insecure?

I'm not saying it means I'm always right or that others are always wrong. But pretending it's irrelevant is burying your head in the sand.

Many posters here have played plenty of hockey but understand how limited the usefulness of that experience is in 95% of the stuff that gets discussed here. Having playing experience at a lower level, you can explain us how blocking a shot feels physically and mentally. How hard it is to recover after back to backs with travel in between. etc

Lets presume you were like... at an ECHL level. The players that make it to the NHL are so different from you, most of all mentally, that you really do not have a clue what is on their mind at any given time.

Playing EVEN at the highest level gives only two advantages at managing a hockey team. You come out of your career with built in connections to the people around the business (assuming you weren't a complete asshat) AND are very likely extremely driven to become better at your craft, be it being a hockey player or a scout or a general manager.


edit. Oh... and to me, bringing it up, makes you look insecure.

 

[mossey3535]

Do you guys think JT Miller continues on the PK this season?

Tocchet already said he and EP have to keep playing the PK because of their production but he hopes the new guys drastically reduce their minutes. This was on Halford+Brough.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Why does experience actually doing the thing that we have all spent years on here discussing make some people so insecure?

I'm not saying it means I'm always right or that others are always wrong. But pretending it's irrelevant is burying your head in the sand.

I mean, in an effort to objectively stick to the facts as much as possible:

You really believed Benning was doing a great job after 7 years of data to go off, presumably because you liked the rosters he assembled, despite them being terrible every year.

I am not trying to rehash the same argument, legitimately answering your question here.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Part of the problem is decent is probably the most accurate, best descriptor so far.

Given where they started from and the path they chose to take, decent isn't nearly good enough. They've done some good and some not good things, but still have huge holes and most of the same issues as the dimjim team they inherited.

Maybe hopefully there's more to come by opening day, the current team isn't much improved and still maybe a wildcard contender. Apparently next offseason it's okay to judge, yeah I'd hope so two and a half years is more than enough time to have fixed the same issues we've had seemingly forever.

My issue is that last year’s excuse was they were waiting for this offseason.

They have had 2 TDL, 2 Drafts, 2 FAs and now weeks into their second offseason.

They have made some nice subtle moves and moves Horvat (which looked foregone once Miller signed).

But so much more is needed and they have doubled down on certain players (Boeser specifically).

Just honestly expected so much more given what was said when they first arrived which likely has influenced my perception of them.

I think it’s also clear they severely over estimated the ability to move cap/players given the current environment.

So while not bad, they have not been great either.

They have been fine.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

My issue is that last year’s excuse was they were waiting for this offseason.

They have had 2 TDL, 2 Drafts, 2 FAs and now weeks into their second offseason.

They have made some nice subtle moves and moves Horvat (which looked foregone once Miller signed).

But so much more is needed and they have doubled down on certain players (Boeser specifically).

Just honestly expected so much more given what was said when they first arrived which likely has influenced my perception of them.

I think it’s also clear they severely over estimated the ability to move cap/players given the current environment.

So while not bad, they have not been great either.

They have been fine.

To be fair, I’d say at least 1/3 (or even 1/2) of their significant moves are TBA to see if they pan out. Like we haven’t seen how Hronek, Soucy, etc look as Canucks, and then the prospect pool such as Raty, Lekkerrimaki, Willander, Hirose, Bloom, Johansson, etc. develop.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I mean, in an effort to objectively stick to the facts as much as possible:

You really believed Benning was doing a great job after 7 years of data to go off, presumably because you liked the rosters he assembled, despite them being terrible every year.

I am not trying to rehash the same argument, legitimately answering your question here.

Not getting sucked into this debate again.

Wait, aren't you the guy who PM'ed me accusing me of 'sEcReTlY bEiNg sOmEbOdY eLsE'?

So you'll forgive me if I have my doubts about you being objective and sticking to the facts.

 

[valkynax]

To be fair, I’d say at least 1/3 (or even 1/2) of their significant moves are TBA to see if they pan out. Like we haven’t seen how Hronek, Soucy, etc look as Canucks, and then the prospect pool such as Raty, Lekkerrimaki, Willander, Hirose, Bloom, Johansson, etc. develop.

Despite how much I HATE Hronek trade, I actually really really want to see him work out to be our 3D or maybe even a good duo with Hughes.

I wish I can see what prime time Tanev with Hughes would look like.

 

[TruGr1t]

To be fair, I’d say at least 1/3 (or even 1/2) of their significant moves are TBA to see if they pan out. Like we haven’t seen how Hronek, Soucy, etc look as Canucks, and then the prospect pool such as Raty, Lekkerrimaki, Willander, Hirose, Bloom, Johansson, etc. develop.

Yes, we've seen enough offseason moves defended/championed in recent years only to subsequently blow up. Hronek is the most high-profile, but Soucy could easily revert to bottom-pairing status and be one among many. The centre and goalie depth are massive question marks, as I'd argue is the right side of the defense. They're hoping to make the playoffs by the skin of their teeth assuming none of these depth issues blow-up in their face and they face pretty much zero material injuries in the top-six or top-four.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Not getting sucked into this debate again.

Wait, aren't you the guy who PM'ed me accusing me of 'sEcReTlY bEiNg sOmEbOdY eLsE'?

So you'll forgive me if I have my doubts about you being objective and sticking to the facts.

I just gave a rebuttal on why I don’t think your real life hockey experience makes you any better at evaluating on-ice product based on your opinions posted on here.