Management Threads | Structure. Standards. Habits.

[MarkMM]

Here's an interesting link I found while looking into the Canucks management/scouting structure, written by Lindsey Horsting, Canucks editorial writer (hired at the same time as Katie Pettersson.)

Canucks NHL Draft Preparation A Year-Round Operation

…Assistant General Manager Cammi Granato, Lindsey Horsting Canucks Editorial Writer, provide an in-depth look at how the team’s scouting department prepares for the NHL Draft. by Lindse…

canucksbanter.ca

Gives some insight into who's responsibilities are what, who's overseeing whom etc.



(The same article was actually posted on the canucks website but I like the formatting of the above link more.)

NHL Draft: Scouting Department Works Year-Round With Eye On The Prize | Vancouver Canucks

For the Canucks' amateur scouting department, preparing for the NHL Draft is a year-round process.

www.nhl.com

Ah yeah that's the one that mentions Harvey takes the leads in Rounds 1 - 3 and then the rest of the scouts take over for 4 - 7.

Some broad consensus seems to be that we did okay in the first three rounds and then went off-road after that, we might have seen the structure described the article played out on the draft floor last couple days.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

With the FA signings feels like biggest problems still remains.

On defense

Hughes- ?????
Cole- Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Everyone else.

Need a backup goalie as well.

 

[Nucker101]

APOLOGIZE TO ALLVIN HERE


I can smell the playoffs from here bois

 

[Icebreakers]

With the FA signings feels like biggest problems still remains.

On defense

Hughes- ?????
Cole- Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Everyone else.

Need a backup goalie as well.

Back up is Silovs.

 

[pitseleh]

Interesting for a FO that has run a pretty tight ship, everything they’ve done this offseason aside from the OEL buyout has been telegraphed: Willander, Soucy, Cole, and Blueger.

With the FA signings feels like biggest problems still remains.

On defense

Hughes- ?????
Cole- Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Everyone else.

Need a backup goalie as well.

Agreed. Need to ditch Myers and upgrade the top-4. One of Cole or Soucy can baby sit whoever makes the team as the #6.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Back up is Silovs.

I don't think so. I think Silovs gets one more year of 50+ ahl games

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Interesting for a FO that has run a pretty tight ship, everything they’ve done this offseason aside from the OEL buyout has been telegraphed: Willander, Soucy, Cole, and Blueger.

Because they were never that tight lipped.

Things were leaking.

Just less to start with because the media folk had to build relationships with the new folk.

APOLOGIZE TO ALLVIN HERE


I can smell the playoffs from here bois

Calgary imploding means we are 1 spot closer for sure.

 

[pitseleh]

Because they were never that tight lipped.

Things were leaking.

Just less to start with because the media folk had to build relationships with the new folk.

Agree on smaller things but basically all of the big moves were surprises as I recall: Hamonic/Dermott, Mikheyev signing, Miller re-signing, Horvat trade.

Guess Kuzmenko, Lekkerimaki, and Bear went in the other direction.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Nice work by Allvin and the Chipmunks today.

 

[Dissonance Jr]

Interesting for a FO that has run a pretty tight ship, everything they’ve done this offseason aside from the OEL buyout has been telegraphed: Willander, Soucy, Cole, and Blueger.

I do honestly wonder if GMs often intentionally leak UFA rumors to signal interest to agents and get around tampering rules.

 

[arttk]

I do honestly wonder if GMs often intentionally leak UFA rumors to signal interest to agents and get around tampering rules.

I think you are allowed to talk to UFA in advance. There is a reason why free agents all sign like right when the market opens.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I do honestly wonder if GMs often intentionally leak UFA rumors to signal interest to agents and get around tampering rules.

There is all sorts of tit for that deals that hockey ops and the media do for each other.

 

[racerjoe]

Interesting for a FO that has run a pretty tight ship, everything they’ve done this offseason aside from the OEL buyout has been telegraphed: Willander, Soucy, Cole, and Blueger.

Its because the leaks come from agents. So you here stuff that agents are involved in. Agents trying to stir up interest to get more money in FA and so on.

 

[pitseleh]

Its because the leaks come from agents. So you here stuff that agents are involved in. Agents trying to stir up interest to get more money in FA and so on.

But all three of Soucy, Cole and Blueger have been telegraphed here and almost no other player. It’s not like there were fifteen guys connected and we landed three. Inversely, basically no other signing today was telegraphed more than a day or two ago, aside from Lucic.

 

[Russian_fanatic]

The D seems competent.

I'm more worried about our bottom 6. Anyone want to take a guess how that will look?

 

[RandV]

The D seems competent.

I'm more worried about our bottom 6. Anyone want to take a guess how that will look?

I'd assume for the moment...

Mikhelev/Beauvillier/Hoglander - Aman/Dries - Garland
Di Giueseppe - Blueger - Joshua

Our 4th liner is basically set as a defensive unit while the 3rd line is more of a poor 2nd line. 3rd line C can obviously be improved but with limited options and now Blueger solidifying the 4th line I think we can hold off for a bit. Don't know if we could afford a JT Compher on a long term deal with our upcoming extensions.

 

[krutovsdonut]

so is anyone else bothered by the fact the three big signings are alumni of our management's previous teams? the signings all look ok in isolation, but i am not happy with the pro-scouting implications of the fact you can see cole as jr's guy, blueger as allvin's guy, and soucy as cammi's guy.

 

[TruGr1t]

They’ve exercised restraint on the contracts and largely gone bargain shopping, which gets a good grade from me as that’s really what they should be up to.

Now don’t do anything stupid.

 

[RandV]

so is anyone else bothered by the fact the three big signings are alumni of our management's previous teams? the signings all look ok in isolation, but i am not happy with the pro-scouting implications of the fact you can see cole as jr's guy, blueger as allvin's guy, and soucy as cammi's guy.

Not really. I find UFA signings mostly fall into 1 of 3 categories: resign with existing team, sign with team that pays them the most, sign with team that has some sort of hook attached to it (prior relationship, home town, Cup contender, New York, etc).

So for Gillis there was a lot of prior-relationship or home town signings, while Benning was mostly just pay them more than everyone else. As these contracts are pretty reasonable and don't look like Benning deals if they leveraged a prior relationship then nothing wrong with that.

You're more talking about scouting in general here but to actually reel in the player to fit the Canucks needs it still comes down to what I'm talking about here. You're probably not going to use advanced pro scouting to reel in a guy that 31 other teams missed on a great contract.

 

[racerjoe]

But all three of Soucy, Cole and Blueger have been telegraphed here and almost no other player. It’s not like there were fifteen guys connected and we landed three. Inversely, basically no other signing today was telegraphed more than a day or two ago, aside from Lucic.

We have been linked to a large number of players over the course of the past little bit.

 

[krutovsdonut]

You're probably not going to use advanced pro scouting to reel in a guy that 31 other teams missed on a great contract.

kind of a fatalist take. the job of pro-scouting is to identify the best options and then the job of management is to see if they can land them at a reasonable term and price.

the question is whether the best options available to the canucks who they could have landed at a reasonable price and term today happen to be three players with prior connections to our management.

colour me a skeptic that they maybe skipped over the pro-scouting part and went with known quantities, especially given these moves were all telegraphed to the media before all the last minute buyouts and non-qualifying options in the last couple of days.

i am hoping the canucks had the flexibility to examine all the options.

 

[pitseleh]

We have been linked to a large number of players over the course of the past little bit.

Yeah, but not in the same way as these three.

 

[Cancuks]

APOLOGIZE TO ALLVIN HERE


I can smell the playoffs from here bois

Nope. This team will still be mediocre unless younger players like Podkolzin, Aman, Raty etc break out.

 

[God]

Agree on smaller things but basically all of the big moves were surprises as I recall: Hamonic/Dermott, Mikheyev signing, Miller re-signing, Horvat trade.

Guess Kuzmenko, Lekkerimaki, and Bear went in the other direction.

Mikheyev was rumoured prior to the signing. The JTM re-signing was a surprise when it happened but it's not like we hadn't heard that they were looking at what a contract would look like.

All of this stuff seems like agent rumours, and we're always hearing it from Dhaliwal who knows every agent.

 

[racerjoe]

Yeah, but not in the same way as these three.

Yes we heard a ton in the last 24 hours of the guys we did sign... again seems like agent leaks.