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[arttk]

I think Smith was absolutely valued as a 1st rounder, for the record.

This was a 1st round pick who developed well, skipped the AHL entirely, and was playing top-4 minutes and named to the NHL All-Rookie team in his draft+3. Then had a step backward in his draft+4 but was still one of the younger higher-minute defenders in the NHL. There's no way a guy like this is worth 'only a 2nd' or something.

If he was worth only a 2nd then our 2nd rounder could’ve beat that offer because Pitts could make a bet on us sucking hard and get a mid 30ish pick out of it.

The fact our 2nd couldn’t meant they value Smith more.

 

[Petey O]

The revenue from some home playoff dates would go a long way to easing the financial pain of a bloated payroll.

Will it really, though? How much does he make, on average, per home playoff game? It can't be much more than 2-3 million no?

 

[arttk]

Will it really, though? How much does he make, on average, per home playoff game? It can't be much more than 2-3 million no?

Guessing the average ticket would be easily 200 so just the gate would be almost 4M.
This is really bad napkin math. Concession and merch would go through the roof as well.

 

[Vector]

 

[me2]

Have they announced next year's Steamer dog stand staff yet?

 

[Vector]

Have they announced next year's Steamer dog stand staff yet?

I would want that job so bad.

 

[rypper]

Have they announced next year's Steamer dog stand staff yet?

Steamers is old news, it's all about the Lully's angels now!

 

[VanillaCoke]

Strong Pittsburgh Tre Kronor vibes

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

So 650 and others are absolutely pumping the tires of the Canucks development system now. What on earth am I missing here?

 

[Vector]

So 650 and others are absolutely pumping the tires of the Canucks development system now. What on earth am I missing here?

Limited sample size has shown a marked improvement in the Canucks development system however that's all it is. It looks like the pro scouting and development has improved but we only have one season to go by. Media guys can't wait, and really don't have the luxury, to see if there is an actual improvement and just latch onto that.

At least that's my take.

 

[Nucker101]

So 650 and others are absolutely pumping the tires of the Canucks development system now. What on earth am I missing here?

Seems like a coping mechanism for those 4th round trio of picks. I get it.

If you truly believe that development is your strong suit then wouldn't you target more raw/unfinished prospects instead of overage ones?

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Limited sample size has shown a marked improvement in the Canucks development system however that's all it is. It looks like the pro scouting and development has improved but we only have one season to go by. Media guys can't wait, and really don't have the luxury, to see if there is an actual improvement and just latch onto that.

At least that's my take.

They really enjoy getting fooled by small sample sizes don't they?

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Limited sample size has shown a marked improvement in the Canucks development system however that's all it is. It looks like the pro scouting and development has improved but we only have one season to go by. Media guys can't wait, and really don't have the luxury, to see if there is an actual improvement and just latch onto that.

At least that's my take.

I think management has down a great job addressing and at least attempting to improve development after years of neglect. Abbotsford certainly looked promising and it looks like its headed in the right direction. That being said it’s year one and we haven’t even had anyone in Abbotsford play for the Canucks yet. Way, WAY too early to say we’re now some super developing team like Tampa.

 

[MarkMM]

So 650 and others are absolutely pumping the tires of the Canucks development system now. What on earth am I missing here?

Could be they're going on changes made to development and how that MIGHT be reflected in the turnaround of key prospects like Woo and Hoglander? Too soon and small sample size, but if those guys are direct results of the development then that could be early indicators that it's having an impact. Beyond that, like many things in the Benning era, there have been rumblings that our development system didn't have its act together, and other faults aside, Rutherford and Allvin have invested a lot of bodies in a revamped development program so maybe they're just referring to that.

Seems like a coping mechanism for those 4th round trio of picks. I get it.

If you truly believe that development is your strong suit then wouldn't you target more raw/unfinished prospects instead of overage ones?

Yeah, not sure. Only thing I can think of would be that maybe they see in the late bloomers players who were passed up by other teams due to faults that our development staff have confidence that they could fix?

 

[TruGr1t]

This draft may very well be worse than any of Benning’s drafts in the end. It looks like a Mike Gillis era draft. I can only assume Delorme has returned to prominence.

Not an encouraging start on the amateur side, and I don’t mind Willander.

 

[timw33]

This draft may very well be worse than any of Benning’s drafts in the end.

You think this draft class is going to be worse than 2016, 2020, 2021?

 

[Petey O]

You think this draft class is going to be worse than 2016, 2020, 2021?

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Hey now, don't knock future 1st pairing defensive D Jacob Truscott.

 

[credulous]

You think this draft class is going to be worse than 2016, 2020, 2021?

i'm not an amateur scout or anything but those drafts aren't terrible given the context of when the canucks picked

juolevi was obviously a miss but lockwood was an okay pick in 2016

klimovich, myrenberg and forsell all exceeded expectations for their draft position in 2021

2020 sucked but i still think we'll see truscott in the nhl (probably not for vancouver though)

 

[MS]

You think this draft class is going to be worse than 2016, 2020, 2021?

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I think I called the 2020 draft as a fairly likely 0 NHL GP draft on the day of and so far that’s not looking wrong.

 

[TruGr1t]

You think this draft class is going to be worse than 2016, 2020, 2021?

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I mean … they actually held onto the first round pick instead of trading it … in that context all these drafts look rather the same.

Good job not trading the 11th, I’ll give them that. Otherwise looks like a pretty typical poor Canucks draft.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I mean … they actually held onto the first round pick instead of trading it … in that context all these drafts look rather the same.

Good job not trading the 11th, I’ll give them that. Otherwise looks like a pretty typical poor Canucks draft.

Its extremely hard to have a decent draft when you only pick once in the first 70 picks.

 

[MarkMM]

I mean … they actually held onto the first round pick instead of trading it … in that context all these drafts look rather the same.

Good job not trading the 11th, I’ll give them that. Otherwise looks like a pretty typical poor Canucks draft.

Willander will likely single-handedly make this one draft more productive for the Canucks than all those three drafts under Benning combined.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I don't get why some people are getting their panties in a bunch over our late draft picks.


They are late draft picks.

 

[mossey3535]

I personally would like to see this team bounce back from the Benning era in all aspects.

Pro scouting looks better
Pro development looks better

Medical is a huge question mark
Amateur scouting looks better in the first 3 rounds, after that it looks bad again


I think Icebreakers brought it up, I had completely forgotten that Todd Harvey is director of scouting...why again? Maybe all of our recent management teams needed to put their own stamp on the amateur scouting staff more quickly.

 

[rypper]

Here's an interesting link I found while looking into the Canucks management/scouting structure, written by Lindsey Horsting, Canucks editorial writer (hired at the same time as Katie Pettersson.)

Canucks NHL Draft Preparation A Year-Round Operation

…Assistant General Manager Cammi Granato, Lindsey Horsting Canucks Editorial Writer, provide an in-depth look at how the team’s scouting department prepares for the NHL Draft. by Lindse…

canucksbanter.ca

Gives some insight into who's responsibilities are what, who's overseeing whom etc.



(The same article was actually posted on the canucks website but I like the formatting of the above link more.)

NHL Draft: Scouting Department Works Year-Round With Eye On The Prize | Vancouver Canucks

For the Canucks' amateur scouting department, preparing for the NHL Draft is a year-round process.

www.nhl.com