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[Nucker101]

I think Allvin is just being calculated with all of his comments and not trying to erode his negotiating position, especially with comments about Boeser/Myers/Pearson. Didn't talk once about Garland by name so still feel like he'll be the one traded for more room though.

How does saying Pearson expected back help his trade negotiating leverage? If anything it hurts it.

 

[timw33]

How does saying Pearson expected back help his trade negotiating leverage? If anything it hurts it.

Sorry, on that front I believe he is essentially saying they are operating under an assumption that he might not be on LTIR with Pearson, and probably trying to avoid any future NHLPA grievance?

 

[rypper]

Allvin name checked Noah Juulsen as a young player coming into the organisation he's extremely happy about (along with Hirose and McWard.) Looking past the fact that Juulsen is 26, he's also a UFA. Did Allvin slip and reveal something or speak too soon?

 

[arttk]

Allvin name checked Noah Juulsen as a young player coming into the organisation he's extremely happy about (along with Hirose and McWard.) Looking past the fact that Juulsen is 26, he's also a UFA. Did Allvin slip and reveal something or speak too soon?

pretty sure you can talk about your own UFAs

 

[rypper]

pretty sure you can talk about your own UFAs

Yeah I know, but he's talking about it like he's signed when he's not.

 

[Vector]

Allvin name checked Noah Juulsen as a young player coming into the organisation he's extremely happy about (along with Hirose and McWard.) Looking past the fact that Juulsen is 26, he's also a UFA. Did Allvin slip and reveal something or speak too soon?

I think it's the same thing as with Bear pre-injury. It's a guy they like and want in the organization and is publicly trying to signal that. They are probably close on some sort of contract.

 

[rypper]

I think it's the same thing as with Bear pre-injury. It's a guy they like and want in the organization and is publicly trying to signal that. They are probably close on some sort of contract.

Yeah I didn't think it was some big controversy or anything, just wondering out loud if one of the next tweets we'd see was a contract announcement.

 

[Vector]

Yeah I didn't think it was some big controversy or anything, just wondering out loud if one of the next tweets we'd see was a contract announcement.

My big question is what was the contract they offered Burroughs.

 

[rypper]

My big question is what was the contract they offered Burroughs.

I hope he re-signs. I'm hoping the radio silence between team and player isn't seen as insulting or anything and they can find a deal.

 

[arttk]

We don't really have any assets to move up, I wonder if they will try to do something like this.

11OA + Next year 1st for
? OA + next year 2nd.

That would be uhh interesting.

 

[Canucks LB]

Does anybody have the link to the full press conference today, thanks

 

[Canucks LB]

We don't really have any assets to move up, I wonder if they will try to do something like this.

11OA + Next year 1st for
? OA + next year 2nd.

That would be uhh interesting.

Hoglander + pod is what i am guessing

 

[Vector]

Does anybody have the link to the full press conference today, thanks

It's not up on their youtube channel and didn't seem to stream it on twitter.

 

[topched88]

You can listen to the press conference on canucks talk podcast, on spotify or whatever you use for podcasts

 

[arttk]

Hoglander + pod is what i am guessing

I have no idea what value Pod has and all the trade rumors on Hog tends to be teams wanting to take advantage of us and getting him for cheap so it's hard to say how much he has when you package him with our 11OA

 

[GranvilleIsland]

I'd think they'd be trying to move up for Benson or Michkov. Probably don't have the assets to do it.

 

[Cancuks]

Should have just lost a few more games, played Hughes, Pettersson less and there wouldn't be talk of now wasting assets to move up to get a player they can likely still draft at #11. I'm going to be furious if #11 and Silovs are dealt to move up to take Willander at #6.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Should have just lost a few more games, played Hughes, Pettersson less and there wouldn't be talk of now wasting assets to move up to get a player they can likely still draft at #11. I'm going to be furious if #11 and Silovs are dealt to move up to take Willander at #6.

It's best not to make up scenarios to get possibly upset about.

Easy to say lose more games, but without outright forfeits, there's no guaranteeing it. Nucks already lost a lot more than they should have. Any meddling with the minutes, may result in even more wins, that's just how she goes, cuz hockey.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It's best not to make up scenarios to get possibly upset about.

Easy to say lose more games, but without outright forfeits, there's no guaranteeing it. Nucks already lost a lot more than they should have. Any meddling with the minutes, may result in even more wins, that's just how she goes, cuz hockey.

Lets not confuse process with luck.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

someone could legitimately say "i am skeptical your business experience is comparable to the canucks' situation" or words to that effect, but the gratuitous dismissal of his "tiny" business and the further assertion that making such a comparison is f***ed is obviously intended to be personally demeaning and insulting and not a reasoned part of the debate.

I agree.

 

[VanJack]

Just how 'close' are the Canucks to the playoffs in the Western Conference? Re-checking the 2022-23 standings, the Winnipeg Jets made the last wildcard with 46 wins and 95 points, while the Canucks were 11th with 38 wins and 83 points.

On paper, that's a pretty wide gap. But eight more wins and a few more OTL games doesn't seem like an unrealistic mountain to climb for the Canucks.

Seems to me that Aquilini could be thinking the same thing--which might be the only reason he signed off on the bloated OEL buy-out. There hasn't been a home playoff date at Rogers Arena since 2014,, coming up rapidly on a decade.

The revenue from some home playoff dates would go a long way to easing the financial pain of a bloated payroll.

 

[RandV]

No, it is not my personal opinion that the PIT organization did not elevate Smith to their roster until they basically had no other options. That is just a description of what happened.

It's your personal opinion that Smith was valued as a 1st rounder. You don't know how PIT valued him. I am basing my post-hoc valuation of Smith on how PIT themselves actually deployed him.

And if Marino wasn't going to be the difference, why does anyone believe Hronek will? And they moved the 17th + 2nd rounder for him.

I don't think people are necessarily saying Smith was valued as a first rounder. Rather, people talk like we could have landed Marino for a 3rd rounder and throwaway prospect/AHLer if we only had the cap space, where if you actually take a moment to look at Smith the Canucks probably would have needed to give up their rounder 1st to beat New Jersey's offer. Like a 2nd and Rathbone isn't going to beat the NJ offer.

 

[bossram]

I don't think people are necessarily saying Smith was valued as a first rounder. Rather, people talk like we could have landed Marino for a 3rd rounder and throwaway prospect/AHLer if we only had the cap space, where if you actually take a moment to look at Smith the Canucks probably would have needed to give up their rounder 1st to beat New Jersey's offer. Like a 2nd and Rathbone isn't going to beat the NJ offer.

Umm yes, people are quite literally saying they believe Smith was valued the same as a 1st round pick. This is why they are saying VAN couldn't outbid PIT. This is the direct argument @arttk was making.

 

[MS]

I don't think people are necessarily saying Smith was valued as a first rounder. Rather, people talk like we could have landed Marino for a 3rd rounder and throwaway prospect/AHLer if we only had the cap space, where if you actually take a moment to look at Smith the Canucks probably would have needed to give up their rounder 1st to beat New Jersey's offer. Like a 2nd and Rathbone isn't going to beat the NJ offer.

I think Smith was absolutely valued as a 1st rounder, for the record.

This was a 1st round pick who developed well, skipped the AHL entirely, and was playing top-4 minutes and named to the NHL All-Rookie team in his draft+3. Then had a step backward in his draft+4 but was still one of the younger higher-minute defenders in the NHL. There's no way a guy like this is worth 'only a 2nd' or something.

 

[arttk]

Umm yes, people are quite literally saying they believe Smith was valued the same as a 1st round pick. This is why they are saying VAN couldn't outbid PIT. This is the direct argument @arttk was making.

Yes they valued Smith as the 1st round equivalent in that trade and that is why we can’t beat it because we don’t have any prospects that’s at that level and we don’t want to use our 1st rounder to beat it.

You do know that there were a lot of moaning about how we didn’t make that trade happen with Ratbone and a 2nd which is ridiculous considering Ratbone has yet to prove he can actually defend in the A.