me2
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Given they offered Horvat $7.5m/7 according to the latest rumours, they definitely didn't trade him to rebuild
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Given they offered Horvat $7.5m/7 according to the latest rumours, they definitely didn't trade him to rebuild
TruGr1t
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First, ew. I’d rather have Bo on that contract than Miller on his contract though. Rather neither.
But the Horvat package is very future facing so I guess that’s confusing. Unless they continue to start valuing assets like they did in the Horvat trade … short-term pain for long-term gain.
me2
Go ahead foot
Horvat was sold as a pure rental. Pure rental deadline deals are futures focused because teams that want deadline rentals don't give up core players or playoffs contributors. They went to get better not go sideways.
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PuckMunchkin
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PuckMunchkin
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Yep.
Wish they commited to one plan or the other. Now they are doing little bit of this little bit of that.
Do you like answering your own questions? Definitely.
I think he will be back to PPG next season.
Also think Bo will revert back to a 60ish pt guy next season.
We’ll see in time.
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He hasn't really had enough time to work with Martin or Delia. He is considered one of the very best in the world though. Most European leagues use his book for techniques.
I expect that number will go up and up as the unhappy fans lament his departure
It is possible that they have changed course but that would be a good thing except they did make what looks like early a couple of mistakes, but the Miller saga is not done yet IMO.Yep.
Wish they commited to one plan or the other. Now they are doing little bit of this little bit of that.
Do you like answering your own questions? Definitely.
We'll see. Wait, just a little more patience.
It is possible that circumstances and maybe Horvat not wanting to stay, regardless of what he says now, because what good does it do him to disrespect the team and his friends after being moved, but he does look like he is supressing a grin a lot when talking about the trade, like he isn't terribly upset just surprised.
ON Miller, I think Vegas may have just become another possible player for his services. Although there are a few other players they might look at or prefer but if the Canucks reduce their expectations of returns they might get a chance to make a deal. Unfortunately I think they may believe Tocchet change change the spots on this cat. 3 weeks to see if that is the case.
For the first time in a very long time the roster of young players in the AHL is impressive and while having a good AHL team does not always translate to a good NHL team, the Marlies were a top AHL team while the Leafs were the Laffs, it is something not seen here for a long time since Nonis/Gillis. Safety in numbers, law of averages?
The Demko rumours have been around too long for there to be nothing, even with Rutherford advertising his value from day one. What is needed is health for some teams others may take a chance early to get "Bubble Demko".
ON one more bit of smoke that is clearing now, Tryamkin.
It is now coming to light that all the management misleading information is coming down to a insulting contract offer, with unacceptable terms. This is one aspcet of the "old boys club" that I dislike, how they can OWN a player that nevers signs but can make sure that player doesn't sign anywhere else even if they don't want him. A demonstration to other players, do what we say or never get a shot in the NHL. I remember Burke doing that to a couple of players but misjudged on Umberger who had a loop hole. Federov did not and Burke even crowed about his ownership of the kid regardless if warranted or not, "he will never play in the NHL" and then the old boys club circled the wagons. Well Tryamkin is now a FA and there is no reason some NHL team would not want his services. He is still youngish for a defenceman in the NHL. If you think he isn't good enough if you can remember Linden and Benning both were saying how good he was and how he would help the team right up until he signed that KHL deal 24 hours after their offer. And then all the spin by friendly media, the marketing department and astro surfing agencies. "the city smelled of pot" DUH! ever been down town? You can smell "skunk" a block away. His wife didn't like Vancouver, really? A preference for half stocked shelves and less offered with a superior climate? He got home sick. It was embarrassing how many fans were led along by their noses. His leaving could not have had anything to do with a contract offer, or money or not liking the NHL. His coming back twice and waiting for months for Benning to talk about contracts only to be told that there was no money while Benning gave millions to Pouliot, Schaller, Gagner, Beagle Roussel, Larson, Benning even traded away draft picks for some, but the kid waited until the end. AND the bought media continued with "he isn't any good", "He didn't want to be here", with never a mention of what the player said or thought of why he left. That would have been critical against the city's favourite child, Linden.
What is the evidence of this fiction about him leaving? Horvat's rumoured contract offer and others as well, what was the rumoured offer for Groot? NEVER MENTIONED, just every bit of negativity or spin handed out.
Well there are new kids in town running the show, I don't know if they would look at him but for a team desperate for dmen, PK specialists, deterrents, would they take a look at him now? And there are still Benning loyalists who will quote all the "spin".
4 years at 3 mil would be a bargain even if his play is the same as OEL because of the deterrent factor. Or if in doubt and he would sign here for less term, the 3/4 mil for 2 years. Even Reeves might think twice about wanting a dance. The last guy like him is not Chara, it is Byfuglien without all the points
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I am actually encouraged that Pro scouting side of Hockey Ops looks to be doing better in assessing talent worthy of acquiring but the amateur scouting still seems abysmal.
I was astonishing to read the story that when they let a whole bunch of Amateur scouts go last year one of the concerns of the new regime was that many of the scouts never submitted their game assessment reports. I assume this means they would just talk to others in Hockey Ops about who they liked and who they didn't: lazy and entirely subjective.
Hopefully, Granato has brought some analytics-based scouting processes after coming over from the Kraken that will improve their drafting because there is no point in acquiring more draft picks if your scouting continues to be horrendous.
I was astonishing to read the story that when they let a whole bunch of Amateur scouts go last year one of the concerns of the new regime was that many of the scouts never submitted their game assessment reports. I assume this means they would just talk to others in Hockey Ops about who they liked and who they didn't: lazy and entirely subjective.
Hopefully, Granato has brought some analytics-based scouting processes after coming over from the Kraken that will improve their drafting because there is no point in acquiring more draft picks if your scouting continues to be horrendous.
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Probably offered a contract they know Bo will not take so they can sell the idea of “we tried to retain Bo” to the casuals
After getting the crap kicked out of us fans for so long this actually means something thanks Lu
mossey3535
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What an odd take by that twitter poster, Lu's pads literally had a stick in rink and his captains C on them...
That particular is poster is kind of an idiot. Unfortunately that’s a common trait; dumb and/or toxic.
PuckMunchkin
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Well that would worry me greatly too.
That means that their evaluation period and the long term plan that followed survived contact with reality for less than 3 months of hockey.
If they could get it so wrong, are they the right people to be running the team?
Obviously it is better than just sticking with the wrong plan.
StickShift
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Disclaimer—this was written by Steve Simmons…. But, apparently people around the league are saying Jim Rutherford already wants to leave the Canucks:
Hard to play as a team when you dont have a Defense. Thats on the Management.
Canucker
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As bad as their defense has been, it really shouldn't be as bad as it is...its a veteran group, its not like there are a bunch of rookies out there...I have to pin this at least partially on the coaching staff/team leadership...if you look at teams like the Oilers or Senators for example, its hard for me to look at their defensive group and say "this is a better group of players than the Canucks defense", but even if you think they are better nobody would ever convince me that they are almost 1 goal against per game better than the Canucks defense...this is (or has been) a poorly coached team with a lot of bad habits. Whether or not this can be corrected at the coaching level anymore is anyone's guess really. As poorly constructed as they are, I think there is also a complete lack of cohesiveness throughout the team, and at this point it wouldn't surprise me if JR suddenly had some "ailment" develop that forced him back into retirement rather than try to stick around and fix this mess with an unhappy Aquilini constantly in his ear.
Johnny Canucker
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Simmons reporting that JR wants out hahahahaha what a f***ing mess. You literally can’t make this stuff up. Anything that can go wrong , has gone wrong and more.
And before people start saying “yah but it’s Steve Simmons” …. It can’t always be “yah but it’s Dhaliwal….. yah but it’s IMAC, yeah but it’s Sat, yeah but it’s ….”
And before people start saying “yah but it’s Steve Simmons” …. It can’t always be “yah but it’s Dhaliwal….. yah but it’s IMAC, yeah but it’s Sat, yeah but it’s ….”
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Wouldn’t mind seeing JR gone, can he take Allvin with him please?
Steve Simmons is such a hack that anything he says has as much value as a new created Twitter account posting that “they heard from a friend…”. When anyone here says the they think media makes something up, that’s actually Steve Simmons.
RobertKron
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How much weight do we expect a lame duck coach who clearly didn't have management's support to be able to throw around in cajoling players into becoming more of a team?
Canucker
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I don't hold Simmons in high regard at all, but I could see people saying the things he reportedly said they were saying...JR himself said that he told the players at a team meeting that they had a lot of good players but they didn't play like a team...I'm sure this is mostly just the passing along of idle speculation amongst the NHL community.
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