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that has nothing to do with the team turmoil which emerged right after the bubble.
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that has nothing to do with the team turmoil which emerged right after the bubble.
rypper
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A wise man once said, "it's 5 o'clock somewhere. "
I’d rather waive Boeser and lose him for free than retain salary for a Middling pick
That contract is completely average for this league and the type of player mIller is … Vancouvers media can be so towny sometimes
That contract is completely average for this league and the type of player mIller is … Vancouvers media can be so towny sometimes
mossey3535
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Who are we looking at for NCAA free agents? Any defencemen who would fit for us?
If they get some depth or even a decent player out of that it will go a long way. Maybe get lucky with a 1st or 2nd round pick and you never know what might happen.
If they get some depth or even a decent player out of that it will go a long way. Maybe get lucky with a 1st or 2nd round pick and you never know what might happen.
PuckMunchkin
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Its really not a great contract for a ~70p winger who is extremely volatile.
Doubt there is much of a market at all.
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Local kid, 6'4" RHD Jake Livingston
I think they move Miller to take Horvat's spot on the PP so more goals and less puck handling.
I think they start putting Miller at center more before the TDL then a hybrid center/winger increases his value especially if he starts winning FOs the way he did for Tampa.
There are team like Boston, Pittsburgh and Washington that have older teams with fading stars that will try to win as long as those stars are there and IF the cap does go up by the first estimates then his 8 mil cap hit has a lesser impact by year three.
Signing Kuzmenko for two years kind of matches what the Canucks can keep Petey for even if they or he uses arbitration. I don't think it is the only carrot they will have to convince EP to stay. There will be at least two 1rst's this year that could step into the line up.
Rutherford said that dreaded Benning phrase "you don't know everything", that got me thinking because most financial and contract information is out there so there is only things inside the team that might not be available.
Now there are rumours of Demko wanting out, rumours, could it be that there are more players with that desire.
Was Horvat's going more his idea?
Rutherford has said they did make offer(s) last summer and at that time Horvat wasn't on such a heater.
Two years ago both him and Miller stated at the end of the season they were either tired of losing (Horvat) and wanted out (Miller) remember the whole Miller didn't mean that stuff after. And then last year Petey said something like he wanted to play in the playoffs and he would see where the team was at his next contract.
Without knowing for sure these comments may give a glimpse inside the room, maybe there were players that felt trapped or did want out. As often stated they are human and being on a perennial loser with an incompetent GM and after being mislead for years would sour a person regardless of the money paid, maybe some do want a chance to win a cup.
I don't think Rutherford has been exaggerating at all in any of his interviews or statements.
I am starting to think there was a major crisis within the team of a desire to get out of town and that triggered Benning's firing, triggered not caused.
The surge when Boudreau was hired kind of showed relief from the team and players playing good enough to be traded at the TDL or draft.
Even moving the young players to Abbottsford might have been to separate them from the negative vibes in the room.
We have all seen players breaking sticks, lazily skating back to the bench or heads hanging down and players sitting there not even talking with each other but never so much as this season from day one.
It is always better for trades if it is the team making the decision rather than the players asking.
Hey it is all speculation anyway. There are things we don't know, but we do know the players aren't having a good time winning on the ice.
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Jake Livingstone... we were in on him last year when he was on a few people number 1 prospect list if he left school. Hopefully we can snag him. Would be a huge add.
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Ideally we trade Miller for another cap dump that has a shorter contract. Someone like Johansen, although I doubt Nashville goes for that.
A winger who will be give or take PPG who can play center and hates losing? Ya he’s priced very well especially considering where the cap is supposed to go in the next 5 years.
Only townies that know nothing about the league beyond vancouver think this is a terrible contract.
The trade rumors around Demko just won't go away......with the Kings emerging as a front-runner.
Checking out their roster on Cap Friendly--the Kings certainly have the young pieces to make a trade work. Guys like Helge Grans; Alex Turcotte; Samuel Fagemo, Sean Durzi and even Quinton Byfield, if the Canucks swing for the fences.
Of course that would leave the Canucks in a serious pickle in the crease.....but in Ian Clark we trust.
Checking out their roster on Cap Friendly--the Kings certainly have the young pieces to make a trade work. Guys like Helge Grans; Alex Turcotte; Samuel Fagemo, Sean Durzi and even Quinton Byfield, if the Canucks swing for the fences.
Of course that would leave the Canucks in a serious pickle in the crease.....but in Ian Clark we trust.
I did the math for a harmonized save percent that we received vs what we faced in that playoffs.
We received .932SV%
Our opponents put up .899SV%
I think most people around the league prefer players that show their hatred of losing by playing defense. Not yelling f@ck, slamming their stick and unplugging their controller.
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That's TBD. This is management's the Kesler trade moment. Are they doing to double on a rebuild or are they going to double down on what they have left and spend up the cap in the offseason on UFAs and trades.
Its funny that their Kesler trade got over a year of lead up. Benning did his in what 2 months?
It’s also funny that the same season they traded a future 2nd rounder to dump future salary they’re now tanking.
Not only that they retained salary and brought back only less than $1.5m on the cap for their Kesler trade.
If the Canucks were to unload Boeser, Demko and Garland, and then either buy-out or trade OEL and Myers, it would be surest sign yet that ownership has finally run up the white flag. They're giving the current management group the latitude to completely re-make this roster.
The sad reality is that the Canucks still have some of the most 'underperforming contracts' in the league on their books. So more radical surgery is needed.
Maybe ownership has finally figured out that spending to the salary-cap max every year for a lottery team isn't very good business.
The sad reality is that the Canucks still have some of the most 'underperforming contracts' in the league on their books. So more radical surgery is needed.
Maybe ownership has finally figured out that spending to the salary-cap max every year for a lottery team isn't very good business.
sting101
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for sure they held firm on that and the Rangers didnt budge which is why it never got done.
It's too bad given that deal that was tabled plus a extention in the offseason for Horvat in the 7 neighborhood would have set this team up in a much better situation.
Oh well i'm used to it now.
Just focus on assets for Petey and Hughes best years starting the 2024/25 season and move on
Reverend Mayhem
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If your sole evaluation on a trade is how long it took to complete, you aren't in the right business.
I am 99.9% sure Livingstone will be a Canuck.
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Drance said something similar. They did the right thing once out of around 3.5 opportunities to do it. If they’d committed and done this sooner with say Miller, Horvat and Garland last year (add Kuzmenko pending return) we’d be in business and have a mass of picks. That’s not even accounting for whether you could have got something for a bevy of players in the last 12-18 months that now effectively have negative value.
At this point, the Horvat trade is a one-off. We’ll see if they actually are accepting reality yet.
Garland will be staying. Under Tocchet in Arizona in 2019/20 - 22 goals, 17 assists in 68 games; 2020-21 - 12 goals, 17 assists for 39 pts in 49 games.
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