Management Thread | The Song Remains the Same Edition

[Bojack Horvatman]

He’s eerily similar then to Newhook now. Around 30 ES points, not much PP usage, is he a C or a wing?

He wouldn’t have been a bad piece for a rental but for 2 years of Miller on a bargain contract this seemed like a *really* underwhelming central piece.

Completely agreed. He was also having somewhat of a down year. There is just so much hindsight with the "should of taken Chytil and Lundqvist" complaint.
-Chytil breaking out. I liked him and didn't think he would break out this much, nor was he an adequate JT centerpiece at the time.
-Lundkvist going for a first. I know RHD have value, but this was a late first that did well overseas post draft but didn't have a great year in the AHL in his d+3. I think this was a case of a GM overpaying for a player he liked when he was young.
-Miller resigning and his play this year. We all know JT can be on and off but when he gives a shit he is a difference maker.

For what it's worth Chytil was mostly C last year as almost all his most common linemates are wingers, but he did play a bit with Strome.

 

[TruGr1t]

Such a cluster f***. This management team lost me completely before the ink dried.

 

[wreckless]

2 decades gone.

Thank god the majority of the fan base chased Mike Gillis out of town!

 

[DonnyNucker]

Petey offersheet.

The Sabres could do us real dirty with one.

That’s would be a great way to speed up the rebuild !

 

[VanJack]

Shutting down Mikheyev for the season; trading Horvat for basically futures; and keeping Demko on the sidelines is just good 'tank management'.

Canucks aren't packing it in.....but rather admitting that at 14 points out the playoffs with only two months left in the schedule, they're done...... and they're looking at a lot of 'meaningless games' down the stretch.

And if I was Tocchet and Allvin I'd be cutting back on the ice-time for Petey and Hughes. What's the point of playing these guys 25-plus minutes and night and risking injury?

And the Canucks aren't done on the trade front. Schenn, their most consistent d-man is gone for sure. And I'm sure if they can find someone to eat a major portion of the salaries for Garland and Boeser, they're gone as well.

Canucks will undoubtedly win a few games down the stretch, but simply won't be going all out to win every game. That's just the reality of lottery teams in garbage time.

 

[CanucksMJL]

Sorry I upset you, you have a great day.

I apologize. I'm not sure what had me so riled up but it wasn't you. I probably had too much to drink.

 

[me2]

Canucks from the optics, couldn't do a flip of Lundkvst to a 1st rounder Dallas in the off-season and this board be ok with it right? Plus there would have been the first round pick from NYR.

I would have been happy if they flipped him. We have Hughes, we need PKers, and that is not Lindqvist.

 

[TruGr1t]

Shutting down Mikheyev for the season; trading Horvat for basically futures; and keeping Demko on the sidelines is just good 'tank management'.

Canucks aren't packing it in.....but rather admitting that at 14 points out the playoffs with only two months left in the schedule, they're done...... and they're looking at a lot of 'meaningless games' down the stretch.

And if I was Tocchet and Allvin I'd be cutting back on the ice-time for Petey and Hughes. What's the point of playing these guys 25-plus minutes and night and risking injury?

And the Canucks aren't done on the trade front. Schenn, their most consistent d-man is gone for sure. And I'm sure if they can find someone to eat a major portion of the salaries for Garland and Boeser, they're gone as well.

Canucks will undoubtedly win a few games down the stretch, but simply won't be going all out to win every game. That's just the reality of lottery teams in garbage time.

In my mind, they're also not exactly setting high expectations for next season either with the Horvat return. Hopefully, they continue to amass futures, go into the draft loaded, ditch some inefficient contracts (Myers/Boeser) but do not woefully waste the cap space immediately in the off-season, and try to pull things together 2 seasons from now.

 

[Bgav]

Ownership made them sign miller, it's the only thing that makes sense.

With all the public bashing of the aquilinis maybe they have finally taken a step back.

Thread title should be changed to " the song has changed" lol

 

[bossram]

Completely agreed. He was also having somewhat of a down year. There is just so much hindsight with the "should of taken Chytil and Lundqvist" complaint.
-Chytil breaking out. I liked him and didn't think he would break out this much, nor was he an adequate JT centerpiece at the time.
-Lundkvist going for a first. I know RHD have value, but this was a late first that did well overseas post draft but didn't have a great year in the AHL in his d+3. I think this was a case of a GM overpaying for a player he liked when he was young.
-Miller resigning and his play this year. We all know JT can be on and off but when he gives a shit he is a difference maker.

For what it's worth Chytil was mostly C last year as almost all his most common linemates are wingers, but he did play a bit with Strome.

It's not hindsight when some of us (like me) were predicting some of this and were saying they should take the deal at that time.

Chytil was already a competent defensive player and his 5v5 rate scoring last season was decent. There was more there if given the opportunity.

I had been predicting a big dropoff from Miller because he is not a dominant 5v5 player and he propped up his production with PP points and secondary assists. There was never a chance he would live up to the contract he would soon receive.

I didn't predict that Lundkvist had 2023 1st round pick value. But I did think he was an NHL-ready RD prospect on an ELC with a strong track record in the SHL and AHL.

No, it's not hindsight.

In my mind, they're also not exactly setting high expectations for next season either with the Horvat return. Hopefully, they continue to amass futures, go into the draft loaded, ditch some inefficient contracts (Myers/Boeser) but do not woefully waste the cap space immediately in the off-season, and try to pull things together 2 seasons from now.

That's Rutherford's MO. He can't help himself but immediately spend any cap space he has available. Got a $3.5M hole? Jack Johnson come on down!

 

[Nucker101]

2 decades gone.

Thank god the majority of the fan base chased Mike Gillis out of town!

Talk to casuals and they’ll tell you with a straight face that this team would be worse off if they kept Gillis

 

[arttk]

Talk to casuals and they’ll tell you with a straight face that this team would be worse off if they kept Gillis

Shows you how much influence the media has.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Shows you how much influence the media has.

I'd say shows you how much the average person lacks critical thinking abilities.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Chytil shouldn't be much of a surprise.

The real issue was Lundqvist. The need/want was Schneider to pair with Hughes.

If Schneider is there instead, deal likely gets done.

 

[MS]

Shows you how much influence the media has.

I'd say shows you how much the average person lacks critical thinking abilities.

I mean, both.

People can't think critically and then just swallow up the bad media takes that are presented to them.

 

[Nucker101]

Chytil shouldn't be much of a surprise.

The real issue was Lundqvist. The need/want was Schneider to pair with Hughes.

If Schneider is there instead, deal likely gets done.

Chytil is still a weird player because a lot of coaches aren’t going to trust a Center who’s 40% in the faceoff dot which will always limit his ice time. You’d need him paired with a winger who’s decent at faceoffs in order to expand his role.

If he was a Canuck I’d imagine he’d be glued to one of Miller/Studnicka/Lazar. Similar to how the Devils really like Haula on the wing as a faceoff specialist with Jack Hughes.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I apologize. I'm not sure what had me so riled up but it wasn't you. I probably had too much to drink.

Before noon?

 

[Bubbles]

It's not hindsight when some of us (like me) were predicting some of this and were saying they should take the deal at that time.

Chytil was already a competent defensive player and his 5v5 rate scoring last season was decent. There was more there if given the opportunity.

I had been predicting a big dropoff from Miller because he is not a dominant 5v5 player and he propped up his production with PP points and secondary assists. There was never a chance he would live up to the contract he would soon receive.

I didn't predict that Lundkvist had 2023 1st round pick value. But I did think he was an NHL-ready RD prospect on an ELC with a strong track record in the SHL and AHL.

No, it's not hindsight.


That's Rutherford's MO. He can't help himself but immediately spend any cap space he has available. Got a $3.5M hole? Jack Johnson come on down!

Yep, I was also one of the people advocating the deal. Chytil was stuck behind a lot of other high draft picks and given more ice, he was going to get better. Of course, most of the people focused on his point total only.

6'2 centres don't grow on trees.

Lundkvist was the obvious choice since NYR were never going to give up Schneider. A right handed defenseman (smallish) but had a lot of potential.

Definitely not hindsight, agreed.

You know with the rumours of Blueberry Boy wanting Miller signed, it makes sense when Miller was unexpectedly removed from the trade block a week before the deadline. It never made sense to me but now it does with Aqua meddling once again.

 

[MS]

Completely agreed. He was also having somewhat of a down year. There is just so much hindsight with the "should of taken Chytil and Lundqvist" complaint.
-Chytil breaking out. I liked him and didn't think he would break out this much, nor was he an adequate JT centerpiece at the time.
-Lundkvist going for a first. I know RHD have value, but this was a late first that did well overseas post draft but didn't have a great year in the AHL in his d+3. I think this was a case of a GM overpaying for a player he liked when he was young.
-Miller resigning and his play this year. We all know JT can be on and off but when he gives a shit he is a difference maker.

For what it's worth Chytil was mostly C last year as almost all his most common linemates are wingers, but he did play a bit with Strome.

The Lundqvist thing is really weird and yeah, has skewed perceptions with hindsight.

This player wasn't good last year in his draft+4 and I think people correctly identified that he was a guy who wasn't tracking well or a really desirable piece in a trade. And that has played out this year, where he's a fringe player who has been a healthy scratch a bunch and hasn't really shown a lot. Except in the middle there was this bizarre overpayment by Dallas where they gave up a 1st round pick for a player tracking poorly and everyone got upset that we could have got that value ... except of course if we'd traded for him we'd have kept him and he's just be another body in the Dermott/Burroughs/Stillman mix.

 

[pitseleh]

The Lundqvist thing is really weird and yeah, has skewed perceptions with hindsight.

This player wasn't good last year in his draft+4 and I think people correctly identified that he was a guy who wasn't tracking well or a really desirable piece in a trade. And that has played out this year, where he's a fringe player who has been a healthy scratch a bunch and hasn't really shown a lot. Except in the middle there was this bizarre overpayment by Dallas where they gave up a 1st round pick for a player tracking poorly and everyone got upset that we could have got that value ... except of course if we'd traded for him we'd have kept him and he's just be another body in the Dermott/Burroughs/Stillman mix.

It’s speculative but I’ve wondered if the team had traded for him if you would have seen him swapped for Marino. He was probably a similar level asset as Smith, the team was clearly interested in Marino, and without Miller’s salary the team would have had room to add him outright.

 

[TruGr1t]

Ownership made them sign miller, it's the only thing that makes sense.

With all the public bashing of the aquilinis maybe they have finally taken a step back.

Thread title should be changed to " the song has changed" lol

This makes some sense given the rumours from Patrick Johnson that the family was pissed at Francesco for how things were going. Maybe they’ll finally let management cook.

Rutherford did himself no favours with Miller, though, constantly pumping his tires all off-season and calling him our “best player” well chasing off Horvat. Even if it was to increase Miller’s trade value, it blew up in his face.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Wondering the same thing, by all accounts Horvat is a great guy and a character person, but that might not always equate with being the best leader. I think he gamely took up the leadership mantle when he was the best option available and credit for him on that, but through multiple coaches with different approaches this team has been consistently mentally and culturally weak. Not putting this all on Horvat, but the captain is the most responsible for setting the tone, and it's a fair consideration if that change just needed to be made to give someone else the opportunity to set the tone. Whether we have that other somebody who will do a better job is a fair question.

they were fine in the bubble.

it was immediately after they moved marky, stecher and tanev that the chaos began. we've never regained our feet from that.

 

[Breakers]

Good on Linden for downplaying that Bubble Run.

Dependent on the PP in the regular season
Got in on a technicality
Spent entire games in those playoffs trapped in our own zone.
Remember those games against Vegas where we were outshot like 49-14
Or that game where we had 4 shots through 2 periods.

 

[hookshott]

I'd say shows you how much the average person lacks critical thinking abilities.

So sad!

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Not really. As bad as we was, I knew Benning’s goal was the playoffs. I thought the current managements goal was playoffs but their recent moves leave skeptical.

I'm honestly curious if this was a quid pro quo situation.

Aquilini wants to push for playoffs, thinks that the Canucks are on the verge of morphing into this amazing team.

Rutherford is skeptical, but wants to get one last gig in, maybe as a way to help mentor in Allvin and other folks he was working with in Pittsburgh. Says he'll humor Aquaboy if he takes the job, but if the team falters, he becomes the one calling the shots.

This is probably a Triple A Enriched Copium take, and it's more likely that JR is just going senile.