Management Thread | 5th Youngest Team in the League Edition

[sandwichbird2023]

Krav was a regular on the PP2 when he was playing. If you didn’t notice that then that should tell you something right?

Krav was already getting the soft minutes, I mean if he can’t do anything against the other team’s 4th liners then why would you rationalize that he will do more with more minutes?

Petey and Miller’s minute looks high because they are both on PP1 and PK1. I just looked at the data and it looks like Petey averages 5:30 a game playing PK and PP.
in terms of ice time, pod averages like 11:50 and 99% of that is even ice. Krav averages like 10:50 with us and he has like 1min of pp time per game so that’s like 9:50 of even ice. Looking at even ice usage, the high point seems to be 15 minutes for Petey and then low point is like Krav who gets around 10. I am not sure how you can give Krav and Pod essentially 1st line ice time if they are not cutting it with soft usage. sure you can five Pod and Krav like a minute or two more but that’s really like 2-4 shifts, are we really bickering over omg, wasted opportunities by not giving them like 2-4 more shifts a game?

dries doesn’t really play that much, his ice time is like 10-12 minutes. Aman actually gets more ice time than Dries probably because he PKs.

It appears we are. If those 2-4 more shifts is so inconsequential, why not give it to the kids? Why is it so important to force every possible seconds onto Petey/Miller/Boeser during garbage time? If the kids do well, great. If not, we might lose an extra game or 2 and move up the draft board, and now we know what we have in the system, also great. What is there not to like about it? I just don't get the hesitation here.

Still blows me away that we are constantly one of the worst developing team, our prospects that comes through our system rarely amount to much. The only good players we have on the roster are basically uber talent that are already above average NHL players to NHL stars when they gear up in Vancouver. Yet, we loathe to give our prospects, those that actually need developing and molding, any decent ice time and opportunities, even in garbage time. Then our prospects plateau out into depth NHL guys and we are all so confused why that happens.

I mean, I would understand if we are a cup contending team like the Rangers, that doesn't have the time and roster spot for Kravtsov. Or a team coached by a dinosaur like Sutter. Or a team desperately chasing for a wild card spot.

Maybe the extra minutes doesn't do much, maybe it does, we'll never know. Clearly you think its more important to play Petey/JTM 1.5mins every PP, starts every PK, and 20+ mins a game when we are well out of the race, thats fine. Just don't complain when our players stagnate and our highly regarded prospects ends up being nothing more than depth guys.

 

[calnuck]

Hoglander, Podkolzin, Boeser, Bedard/Carlsson/Fantilli, whatever high draft picks they accumlated via trade and placement for 2 years.

People really underestimate the impact of a young top centre ala Beniers.

Its no worse than what we have now. But people try their hardest to avoid that.

Did you watch Boeser or Pod play this year? And garland?

 

[andora]

It appears we are. If those 2-4 more shifts is so inconsequential, why not give it to the kids? Why is it so important to force every possible seconds onto Petey/Miller/Boeser during garbage time? If the kids do well, great. If not, we might lose an extra game or 2 and move up the draft board, and now we know what we have in the system, also great. What is there not to like about it? I just don't get the hesitation here.

Still blows me away that we are constantly one of the worst developing team, our prospects that comes through our system rarely amount to much. The only good players we have on the roster are basically uber talent that are already above average NHL players to NHL stars when they gear up in Vancouver. Yet, we loathe to give our prospects, those that actually need developing and molding, any decent ice time and opportunities, even in garbage time. Then our prospects plateau out into depth NHL guys and we are all so confused why that happens.

I mean, I would understand if we are a cup contending team like the Rangers, that doesn't have the time and roster spot for Kravtsov. Or a team coached by a dinosaur like Sutter. Or a team desperately chasing for a wild card spot.

Maybe the extra minutes doesn't do much, maybe it does, we'll never know. Clearly you think its more important to play Petey/JTM 1.5mins every PP, starts every PK, and 20+ mins a game when we are well out of the race, thats fine. Just don't complain when our players stagnate and our highly regarded prospects ends up being nothing more than depth guys.

If you arent the uber talent your development starts way before this and we have revamped the entire system.. already showing results

For the non uber talent the extra three shifts on the nhl team is not where it lies.

 

[sting101]

It's kinda odd how they refused to step back. I mean i can see last off season as they thought the parts here were better than they were but after it went to crap to not have cap space and an excess of draft capital going into the Bedard draft is highly suspect especially after moving Horvat.

I think it was important that they sent the right message to Hughes Demko and Pettersson that they want to win over the next 3-5yrs but leaning on them to do so in meaningless games in garbage time was not the right way of going about it. It's embarrassing that Washington and Detroit were able to pass us in the draft selection.

I think one of things that is starting to concern me also with this team is that the personalities are suspect. Did anyone come away after watching the players they trotted out in the wind up meetings and think what a good character group that's gonna play for each other? This whole Miller Pettersson Hughes vibe is weird as is the lack of personality in the group

Talent is not the issue although 1 more core player up front and one on the back end are necessary to take that next step but it's more about how this team just doesn't give off a positive vibe or has shown that it can be a team that can match other good teams work ethic strength and character.

I think we need 2-3 really good character additions that fill the 2 roles i outlined and one that brings size and strength that can produce on the wings. Once we nail those down and flush a few poor fits then maybe we look like a more realistic playoff team that could do some damage. Almost every team is looking for the same things though so...good luck

 

[andora]

It's kinda odd how they refused to step back. I mean i can see last off season as they thought the parts here were better than they were but after it went to crap to not have cap space and an excess of draft capital going into the Bedard draft is highly suspect especially after moving Horvat.

I think it was important that they sent the right message to Hughes Demko and Pettersson that they want to win over the next 3-5yrs but leaning on them to do so in meaningless games in garbage time was not the right way of going about it. It's embarrassing that Washington and Detroit were able to pass us in the draft selection.

I think one of things that is starting to concern me also with this team is that the personalities are suspect. Did anyone come away after watching the players they trotted out in the wind up meetings and think what a good character group that's gonna play for each other? This whole Miller Pettersson Hughes vibe is weird as is the lack of personality in the group

Talent is not the issue although 1 more core player up front and one on the back end are necessary to take that next step but it's more about how this team just doesn't give off a positive vibe or has shown that it can be a team that can match other good teams work ethic strength and character.

I think we need 2-3 really good character additions that fill the 2 roles i outlined and one that brings size and strength that can produce on the wings. Once we nail those down and flush a few poor fits then maybe we look like a more realistic playoff team that could do some damage. Almost every team is looking for the same things though so...good luck

I didn't get too much of a weird vibe from the players press conferences, maybe more unsure and unsettled. But your last paragraph Nails it 200%

 

[Diogenes92]

Did you watch Boeser or Pod play this year? And garland?

I watched Boeser manage to put up a good amount of points while going through a lot of turmoil and being on the trade block the entire year. Had more points than Garland in less games.

I watched Podz get benched for the final games of the season while the Canucks ruined their draft position.

Garland doesn't move the needle for me. Got a lot of his points during garbage time and the new coach bump.

 

[andora]

Hoglander, Podkolzin, Boeser, Bedard/Carlsson/Fantilli, whatever high draft picks they accumlated via trade and placement for 2 years.

People really underestimate the impact of a young top centre ala Beniers.

Its no worse than what we have now. But people try their hardest to avoid that.

i can assume hoglander and podkolzin are keeps? boeser traded?

so basically calling this year was the year 1, after the third year 24/25 we go into the next season with this? i am assuming we re-sign pettersson / podkolzin / hoglander at forward? i assume we re-sign hronek on defence?

Hoglander / Pettersson / Mikheyev
Podkolzin / ELC Draft pick Kid / Garland
X / X / X
X / X / X

Hughes / Hronek
X / X
X / X

X goalie
X goalie

assuming we traded demko and boeser and miller.. trade garland? trade kuzmenko? trade beauvillier?
re-sign? hirose, mcward, johansson? silovs? Aman, joshua, mcdonough?

 

[racerjoe]

I watched Boeser manage to put up a good amount of points while going through a lot of turmoil and being on the trade block the entire year. Had more points than Garland in less games.

I watched Podz get benched for the final games of the season while the Canucks ruined their draft position.

Garland doesn't move the needle for me. Got a lot of his points during garbage time and the new coach bump.

Podz was injured... but don't let the truth hurt your statement.

 

[Vector]

For anyone interested, I started and stickied a GDT for the press conference. When it's available, will be posting the live-stream link in the first post.

 

[Diogenes92]

i can assume hoglander and podkolzin are keeps? boeser traded?

so basically calling this year was the year 1, after the third year 24/25 we go into the next season with this? i am assuming we re-sign pettersson / podkolzin / hoglander at forward? i assume we re-sign hronek on defence?

Hoglander / Pettersson / Mikheyev
Podkolzin / ELC Draft pick Kid / Garland
X / X / X
X / X / X

Hughes / Hronek
X / X
X / X

X goalie
X goalie

assuming we traded demko and boeser and miller.. trade garland? trade kuzmenko? trade beauvillier?
re-sign? hirose, mcward, johansson? silovs? Aman, joshua, mcdonough?

Give me some time to put a roster together. Doing some work now so it'll take me time to project a full roster. I'd be keeping Boeser in my mockup. Maybe Garland as well.

Podz was injured... but don't let the truth hurt your statement.

I'm referring to when he was getting 10 or less minutes a game when Tochett came in. The final games referring to when Tochett took over during the easy part of the remaining schedule.

He and a group of other players warmed the bench while the Canucks top guys played entire periods on their own during those extremely important games.

 

[MS]

How tf haven't you been warned for this ridiculous and juvenile attack on anyone that doesn't agree with you?

Grow up.

Criticizing the content of posts is not an infraction. You’re allowed to say someone has made a bad post.

There are things you can do in season modes of video games that are not realistic in real life because a) there is money involved, and b) those decisions affect real people in a significant way. And if you’re consistently arguing that those sorts of things that would never happen in real life are what the team should be doing, you’re playing video games. And I don’t really know how else to state it.

It’s incredibly frustrating to cycle through post after post where people are ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED because something that was very obviously never going to happen didn’t happen. Or are posting stuff like magic tanks/rebuilds that still have Hughes/Pettersson/Demko on the team in 3 years.

 

[arttk]

It appears we are. If those 2-4 more shifts is so inconsequential, why not give it to the kids? Why is it so important to force every possible seconds onto Petey/Miller/Boeser during garbage time? If the kids do well, great. If not, we might lose an extra game or 2 and move up the draft board, and now we know what we have in the system, also great. What is there not to like about it? I just don't get the hesitation here.

Still blows me away that we are constantly one of the worst developing team, our prospects that comes through our system rarely amount to much. The only good players we have on the roster are basically uber talent that are already above average NHL players to NHL stars when they gear up in Vancouver. Yet, we loathe to give our prospects, those that actually need developing and molding, any decent ice time and opportunities, even in garbage time. Then our prospects plateau out into depth NHL guys and we are all so confused why that happens.

I mean, I would understand if we are a cup contending team like the Rangers, that doesn't have the time and roster spot for Kravtsov. Or a team coached by a dinosaur like Sutter. Or a team desperately chasing for a wild card spot.

Maybe the extra minutes doesn't do much, maybe it does, we'll never know. Clearly you think its more important to play Petey/JTM 1.5mins every PP, starts every PK, and 20+ mins a game when we are well out of the race, thats fine. Just don't complain when our players stagnate and our highly regarded prospects ends up being nothing more than depth guys.

If you look at krav’s usage, it fluctuates between 10-13 min and I assume the fluctuation is highly dependent on how he is playing. Considering how meh he has been regardless of his usage, not really sure what giving him more time would actually achieve.

Another thing to consider is that Kravstov is probably given a lot of soft minutes and there is only so much soft minutes to give in any given night. If he is not excelling against crap competition then it doesn’t make too much sense to give him more ice against harder competition. Like if he gets 10min on average and he does nothing when he gets 13mins, then what would giving him 15 min accomplish especially if those minutes come from giving him even harder matchups.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Yeah why not?

Could happen vs Is likely to happen.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Criticizing the content of posts is not an infraction. You’re allowed to say someone has made a bad post.

There are things you can do in season modes of video games that are not realistic in real life because a) there is money involved, and b) those decisions affect real people in a significant way. And if you’re consistently arguing that those sorts of things that would never happen in real life are what the team should be doing, you’re playing video games. And I don’t really know how else to state it.

It’s incredibly frustrating to cycle through post after post where people are ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED because something that was very obviously never going to happen didn’t happen. Or are posting stuff like magic tanks/rebuilds that still have Hughes/Pettersson/Demko on the team in 3 years.

Was Mackinnon's team faltering to get Makar a "magic tank"? What about when Lecavalier's post cup team hit the pavement to get Stamkos and Hedman? Or, when Naslund's failed WCE tanked to get the Twins?

This repeated attempt to colour the rebuild around Pettersson and Hughes as some kind of video game theory or drug addled fantasy is, frankly, adolescent. Open your mind. These things have happened. There is precedent. Whether you take that precedent into account is an entirely different matter.

That part in bold is quite clearly incorrect. It's no wonder this has been frustrating for you: You've ignored all precedent to the contrary.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Criticizing the content of posts is not an infraction. You’re allowed to say someone has made a bad post.

There are things you can do in season modes of video games that are not realistic in real life because a) there is money involved, and b) those decisions affect real people in a significant way. And if you’re consistently arguing that those sorts of things that would never happen in real life are what the team should be doing, you’re playing video games. And I don’t really know how else to state it.

It’s incredibly frustrating to cycle through post after post where people are ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED because something that was very obviously never going to happen didn’t happen. Or are posting stuff like magic tanks/rebuilds that still have Hughes/Pettersson/Demko on the team in 3 years.

The ownership wanted Virtanen to sell to the crowd as a local hero power forward and Benning went along with it. Drafting the better prospect in Ehlers/Nylander was "obviously never going to happen and didn't happen", but you were pretty choked about that selection if I remembered correctly.

Benning obviously trying desperately to save his job, mortgaged the future on an ill-advised OEL trade that is going to haunt this team for years. Putting a desperate man (who has repeatedly proven to be a bad GM) on the job and expect him not to do something stupid was "obviously never going to happen and didn't happen." Yet you were rightfully outraged at the trade.

Firing Linden and keeping Benning in 2018 was obviously the ownership not wanting a rebuild and want to keep his puppet. The fact that Benning was going to be fired at that time was "obviously never going to happen and didn't happen." I seem to remember you made numerous posts about how bad that decision was.

There were lots more examples like this.

So...there are things that "obviously never going to happen" and "didn't happen", but I don't see it stopping you from being "absolutely outraged"?

 

[arttk]

Was Mackinnon's team faltering to get Makar a "magic tank"? What about when Lecavalier's post cup team hit the pavement to get Stamkos and Hedman? Or, when Naslund's failed WCE tanked to get the Twins?

This repeated attempt to colour the rebuild around Pettersson and Hughes as some kind of video game theory or drug addled fantasy is, frankly, adolescent. Open your mind. These things have happened. There is precedent. Whether you take that precedent into account is an entirely different matter.

That part in bold is quite clearly incorrect. It's no wonder this has been frustrating for you: You've ignored all precedent to the contrary.

The f***? When we tanked for the twins the WCE wasn't even a thing yet. The bald asshole that shall not be named was still the captain and that was like a truly shit team.

Avs was still in rebuild mode when they got Makar. I mean hell Mackinnon was 21 that season and there were debates whether or not he was a bust and overpaid because he was putting up like 53 points despite it being his 4th season.

You are trying to compare us to teams that are like in the middle of a rebuild and say hey we should be doing that too when those teams are in a completely different cycle.

 

[MS]

Was Mackinnon's team faltering to get Makar a "magic tank"? What about when Lecavalier's post cup team hit the pavement to get Stamkos and Hedman? Or, when Naslund's failed WCE tanked to get the Twins?

This repeated attempt to colour the rebuild around Pettersson and Hughes as some kind of video game theory or drug addled fantasy is, frankly, adolescent. Open your mind. These things have happened. There is precedent. Whether you take that precedent into account is an entirely different matter.

That part in bold is quite clearly incorrect. It's no wonder this has been frustrating for you: You've ignored all precedent to the contrary.

Mackinnon and Rantanen were 20 and 21 during that season. They clearly had a long time to build around those guys and those players had zero leverage to force themselves out. It's not even a remotely similar situation.

I have no idea what you're even talking about with the WCE-Sedins tank comment.

Thinking that Pettersson/Hughes/Demko will still be here in 2-3 years if we do a tank for that length of time is absolutely video game theory/a drug addled fantasy. Hughes might because of his contract. The other guys absolutely will not. And it's ludicrous to think they will be, and posting detailed plans under that assumption is just a waste of everyone's time.

These players have leverage. They aren't happy with losing. They want zero part of a multi-year tank, and will force their way out if that happens. And recent media reports confirm that.

 

[MS]

The ownership wanted Virtanen to sell to the crowd as a local hero power forward and Benning went along with it. Drafting the better prospect in Ehlers/Nylander was "obviously never going to happen and didn't happen", but you were pretty choked about that selection if I remembered correctly.

Benning obviously trying desperately to save his job, mortgaged the future on an ill-advised OEL trade that is going to haunt this team for years. Putting a desperate man (who has repeatedly proven to be a bad GM) on the job and expect him not to do something stupid was "obviously never going to happen and didn't happen." Yet you were rightfully outraged at the trade.

Firing Linden and keeping Benning in 2018 was obviously the ownership not wanting a rebuild and want to keep his puppet. The fact that Benning was going to be fired at that time was "obviously never going to happen and didn't happen." I seem to remember you made numerous posts about how bad that decision was.

There were lots more examples like this.

So...there are things that "obviously never going to happen" and "didn't happen", but I don't see it stopping you from being "absolutely outraged"?

There is a difference between things that should happen and that any normal team would have done but were blocked by dumb ownership and things that would never happen with any ownership group in place.

No team, ever, is going to be sitting with players the calibre of Hughes/Pettersson/Demko at the end of nearly a decade of purgatory and say 'Hey, actually, our defense looks a bit crap. Let's trade those guys and intentionally suck for another 6 years!'

The f***? When we tanked for the twins the WCE wasn't even a thing yet. The bald asshole that shall not be named was still the captain and that was like a truly shit team.

Avs was still in rebuild mode when they got Makar. I mean hell Mackinnon was 21 that season and there were debates whether or not he was a bust and overpaid because he was putting up like 53 points despite it being his 4th season.

You are trying to compare us to teams that are like in the middle of a rebuild and say hey we should be doing that too when those teams are in a completely different cycle.

This is literally like half of the posts on this board right now.

People want the plan that should have been executed better in 2016 to be executed now in 2023 and the situations are just not the same. That ship has sailed. You don't tank when you have multiple mid-20s superstar players.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[Bleach Clean]

Well what Benning built is truly an outlier. Teams that are bottom of the league don’t tend to have a young 100+ pt center, ppg d and a top 5 goaltender but we are here because of how badly he saddled this team with shit contracts and awful support players that are super hard to move.

I don’t think there is any easy path or any apparent path that will lead to success. Like you talk about a short rebuild, that shit just doesn’t exist and to pull it off you would require perfect execution. Like really damn good drafting, trading and free agent signings. Hell if you can pull that off then you might as well retool because that’s what you need to pull off a retool.

Like rebuild is not a bad thing to advocate for, just know that it will take more than 4-5 years and because of how long it will take and Petey, Hughes and Demko will force a trade out. Some of us would like to see them around so that’s why we are ok with them trying to retool. It’s like you try to rebuild, you will lose those guys in a year or two. If you retool and it doesn’t look like it will work out, you will lose those guys in a year or two and we’ll end up rebuilding. Whatever path we take there is a large likelihood we’ll end up in the same place so we might as well see what happens if they give it a go.

Based on the moves they have made so far, it looks like pro scouting is a strength and that’s what you need for a successful retool.

Their pro-scouting has been better than under Benning, no question. Is it to the level VAN will need to successfully re-tool? Jury is still out on that one.

Next, I'd like to thank you for acknowledging 2 key points:

1. You've acknowledged that this in fact a non-standard situation. A team caught in the middle of a rebuild/retool. They have 3 core pieces, a few supports and terrible cap, pipeline and contracts.
2. You've acknowledge the difficulty of the path forward. This ties directly into likelihood of its success. They are re-tooling against the grain and are likely to fail.

This is great. This is more than certain individuals have done here, and it shows a willingness to have a fruitful discussion about this.

Saying that, I'm pushing back a bit on the idea on the Short Rebuild taking 4-5 years. It need not be. Rebuilding as a mode here can be switched when management feels they are in a good enough position to start competing. That could be when enough cap space is accrued and cap flexibility is there.

 

[MS]

Their pro-scouting has been better than under Benning, no question. Is it to the level VAN will need to successfully re-tool? Jury is still out on that one.

Next, I'd like to thank you for acknowledging 2 key points:

1. You've acknowledged that this in fact a non-standard situation. A team caught in the middle of a rebuild/retool. They have 3 core pieces, a few supports and terrible cap, pipeline and contracts.
2. You've acknowledge the difficulty of the path forward. This ties directly into likelihood of its success. They are re-tooling against the grain and are likely to fail.

This is great. This is more than certain individuals have done here, and it shows a willingness to have a fruitful discussion about this.

Saying that, I'm pushing back a bit on the idea on the Short Rebuild taking 4-5 years. It need not be. Rebuilding as a mode here can be switched when management feels they are in a good enough position to start competing. That could be when enough cap space is accrued and cap flexibility is there.

I've said all of these things many times.

What they're trying could obviously fail. It's probably even likely that it fails. Benning absolutely f***ed us, and it might be unfixable in a time frame that allows us to retain our star players. And then in 2 years the logical course of action is to do a full rebuild at that point.

But no team is doing a rebuild now with these players in place until they do everything possible to flush out a successful roster around them.

 

[arttk]

Their pro-scouting has been better than under Benning, no question. Is it to the level VAN will need to successfully re-tool? Jury is still out on that one.

Next, I'd like to thank you for acknowledging 2 key points:

1. You've acknowledged that this in fact a non-standard situation. A team caught in the middle of a rebuild/retool. They have 3 core pieces, a few supports and terrible cap, pipeline and contracts.
2. You've acknowledge the difficulty of the path forward. This ties directly into likelihood of its success. They are re-tooling against the grain and are likely to fail.

This is great. This is more than certain individuals have done here, and it shows a willingness to have a fruitful discussion about this.

Saying that, I'm pushing back a bit on the idea on the Short Rebuild taking 4-5 years. It need not be. Rebuilding as a mode here can be switched when management feels they are in a good enough position to start competing. That could be when enough cap space is accrued and cap flexibility is there.

I was on the rebuild train last season because I thought Miller and Bo could return blue chip prospects that could speed it up. The reality is that I’ve overestimated the return greatly. Like the 1st rounder from trading Miller and Bo has a high risk of busting and it’s obvious now that teams are 100% unwilling to trade their top prospect for either player. So given that is the reality, I don’t see how we can have a fast rebuild. Like hell just look at Mackinnon, 1st OA can’t miss prospect and he took 5 bloody seasons to get into his star form. Jack Hughes took 4 seasons. Hischier took 5 seasons. Like even if we tanked this season and get like a Fantili or Carlsson, you can’t really expect them to do shit for you until like 3-4 years after. And to get out of those “fast” rebuild, you need those guys to help pull you out.

Like if you trade away Miller(ppg), Horvat(60pt) and Kuz(70pt), getting similar players back will just get you back to where you started. It’s not like it’s realistic to expect to fill all those holes through FA, maybe 1 if you are lucky and then you have to wait 3-5 years to see if the guys you picked actually get fill the original holes. Then you have to wait another year for the next wave and see how they do.

There is simply no fast way to do it if the original assets can’t get you premium piece and we should know by now that the guys we want to get rid of, can’t get us those premium pieces.

 

[Bleach Clean]

The f***? When we tanked for the twins the WCE wasn't even a thing yet. The bald asshole that shall not be named was still the captain and that was like a truly shit team.

Avs was still in rebuild mode when they got Makar. I mean hell Mackinnon was 21 that season and there were debates whether or not he was a bust and overpaid because he was putting up like 53 points despite it being his 4th season.

You are trying to compare us to teams that are like in the middle of a rebuild and say hey we should be doing that too when those teams are in a completely different cycle.

They attempted to win with that Naslund-Bertuzzi-Baldy team. They failed. Drafted high. Traded picks and current players to position in that draft. Liquidation. That's a rebuild, in a sense. Instead of getting a player with the pick, they targeted the draft by expending a player.

COL: That's the issue with looping a downturn of a rebuild as being a part of the rebuild itself. Did they prioritize the draft that year, or no?

 

[4Twenty]

They absolutely should’ve went harder to suck and build future assets rather than try and trick the core 3 into thinking this organization is worth committing their entire careers to.

They should’ve done it before the season started but they skirted both sides and surprise surprise ended up in the mediocre range.

With little to nothing for the future and capped out.

 

[valkynax]

They absolutely should’ve went harder to suck and build future assets rather than try and trick the core 3 into thinking this organization is worth committing their entire careers to.

They should’ve done it before the season started but they skirted both sides and surprise surprise ended up in the mediocre range.

With little to nothing for the future and capped out.

Whether we like it or not, we're locked into a retool and our cup window starts next season.

We need to toss out a lot of trash...a LOT, of, f***ing, trash, in order to make cap space and make an attempt to bring the team to playoff level.