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its kinda f***ed up that in the summer they offered Boeser more than what they offered to Horvat.

Also, hearing Rutherford's comments about how he should've retired after the Pens... it makes a lot of sense why we're a bit of a gong show since they took over... his heart isn't in it. He thought this would be a nice easy turn over and it looks like he grossly underestimated how bad this team was constructed.
 
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Cancuks said:
Why is this management group so obsessed with "unravelling" the cap situation? So they can overpay more free agents? what's the big plan- pay Pastrnak $13 million a year?
Horvat should be traded for prospects/picks. Kuzmenko and Schenn as well. Although the latter two can be re-signed in the offseason if they are interested. The team should be able to deal Boeser and/or Garland in the offseason. Stillman can be buried in the minors. Myers and Pearson are UFAs after next season and might be able to fetch a return at next deadline. Of course, things would be a little easier if management hadn't blown their load on Miller and Boeser in the first place. Just imagine the rebuild we could have kickstarted with 3 or more first round picks in this draft and possibly multiple seconds.
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They're not... if they were they wouldn't of signed Boeser to 6.6 million or Miller to 8 million well going shopping for another 5 million dollar winger. If they really wanted to fix our cap mess they could've done so in the offseason but they decided to make our cap situation even worse.
 
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They're not... if they were they wouldn't have signed Boeser to 6.6 million or Miller to 8 million well going shopping for another 5 million dollar winger. If they really wanted to fix our cap mess they could've done so in the offseason but they decided to make our cap situation even worse.
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Short term gain (not really though) for long term pain. Our owner wants to try and win every season. And that’s the philosophy all his management teams have to work under. So we see very bad trades, signings, and other moves that have no plan other than the coming (or current) season.
 
Jyrki21 said:
Even still, I find the fact that this poll is not at 100 to 0 ridiculous, because the current guys are certainly not the more responsible party:

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I am very close to telling both Moleman and Allvin to go f*** themselves.

I still think that JEB is a beyond legend level horrible GM, but Moleman kept asking people to hold his jar of piss. What started out as a modest gap between the two management groups is closing up at alarming speed. What makes the current group stand out more (in a very bad way) is how boastful these two idiots have been, and how much they hyped everything up.

This is feeling more and more like the Theranos saga.

One could still say that ok they have a plan. But what Moleman said in that interview is greatly worrying, to say the least.
 
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I feel like it's glaringly obvious what will happen over the medium term for this team:
- They will sign one of Horvat or Kuz to a long-term deal, while dealing the other for a deflated term because they don't believe in retaining cap to maximize return​
- Schenn will be traded, and some people will point to this as evidence that management "gets it" and has a plan in mind​
- Buyouts will occur but not the only one that really matters (OEL)​
- Any cap space carved out this summer will be immediately spent on players who do not move the needle meaningfully but are Known Quantities who casual fans can point to and say "improvement"​
- New coach will come in with the remit to get the team to the playoffs, and they'll get close before being undone by the fact this team sucks​
- End of next season JR retires, as he comes to the realization that this situation is not salvageable. Allvin no longer has the cover from JR, and becomes a Benning-style phantom of the pressbox while fiddling around the edges of a bad team with no future.​
- Hopefully EP forces his way out so he can be free to be good on a good team that has a plan for success​
- The team is forced to finally realize that they need to rebuild, but suddenly their only really trade chips are all declining veterans on long-term overpaid deals as they have continually spent futures on shit quick fixes, and this becomes the most toxic situation in the league until 2030. So basically we're exactly where we are now, but we're all two-three years older, and the Canucks are somehow in a worse spot than they are today.​
 
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What are the chances of management trading away more picks at the deadline to clear cap space and then sign Horvat and Kuzmenko to big money with said cap space.

Is there a world where something soul-crushing like that happens?

It's impossible for me to believe that this team will do anything to build for the future. The Benning tenure really did a number on my pysche as a Canucks fan.

Thanks, Francesco!
 
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Just A Bit Outside said:
Seems accurate.
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Random commenter on that article nails it
 
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Breakers said:
LOL
Him and Alvin spent $100 Million this offseason.

"How come we can't unravel the cap situation here"

I am dumbstruck at quotes like this.
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I mean … cumulatively perhaps but I bet quite a few teams do every off season.

JR but off more than he can chew… this ain’t Pittsburgh/Carolina mate

Cancuks said:
Why is this management group so obsessed with "unravelling" the cap situation? So they can overpay more free agents? what's the big plan- pay Pastrnak $13 million a year?
Horvat should be traded for prospects/picks. Kuzmenko and Schenn as well. Although the latter two can be re-signed in the offseason if they are interested. The team should be able to deal Boeser and/or Garland in the offseason. Stillman can be buried in the minors. Myers and Pearson are UFAs after next season and might be able to fetch a return at next deadline. Of course, things would be a little easier if management hadn't blown their load on Miller and Boeser in the first place. Just imagine the rebuild we could have kickstarted with 3 or more first round picks in this draft and possibly multiple seconds.
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Right now we are getting poor on ice value for dollar spent so it’s not surprising he wants to undo Bennings cap problems
 
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100% Smyl. I do believe Rutherford will retire early (perhaps after this year or even before it’s over), but that would never just be framed as “someone from the front office” and it would be a “surprise bombshell” once it happened, not something that reporters are hearing well in advance.
 
I think JR is already strategically planting the seeds for his exit by the end of next season as he's realized that this team is f***ed for the next few years(he deserves some of the blame for this) and at his age it doesn't make sense to stick around for it.


He'll give some spiel about how his main job here was always to put together a strong front office and his work is now done.
 
could be granato. her husband recently reduced his commitments and she may not be enjoying being a front office executive as much as she thought
 
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