Peter Griffin
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I agree and I think that's why management decided to sign him themselves as they weren't going to get the assets back to make a "2 year re-tool" realistic.
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What's the deal with alumni organizations? Is ours for example funded by CS&E?
With all the talks of these contracts and how much is taken off the top, I wonder how many players who bounce between the minors and such actually take home a year? And then their careers are much shorter. I know lots of them have to go into the working field.
My thoughts were if a hockey organization were to help pay for education to alumni members, would that be allowed by the league? Is a program like that something we could weaponize towards luring players here? Has it already been thought of? Rarely a thought is original, and I'm sure I'm far from the first person who has had this idea.
With all the talks of these contracts and how much is taken off the top, I wonder how many players who bounce between the minors and such actually take home a year? And then their careers are much shorter. I know lots of them have to go into the working field.
My thoughts were if a hockey organization were to help pay for education to alumni members, would that be allowed by the league? Is a program like that something we could weaponize towards luring players here? Has it already been thought of? Rarely a thought is original, and I'm sure I'm far from the first person who has had this idea.
How good is Nic Hague?
What would it take to get him? We have Garland and Rathbone as trade chips. Would both of these guys for Hague work? Are we giving too much up? We could take some picks back.
What would it take to get him? We have Garland and Rathbone as trade chips. Would both of these guys for Hague work? Are we giving too much up? We could take some picks back.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Alumni organizations were started out as benevolent associations to help retired hockey players settle into life after their playing careers were over. Unless you’re a player who earned substantial money in your career, the chances are you can’t afford to simply retire once you hit your mid-30s.
Organizations like the Canucks Alumni, for example, do try to assist retirees in upskilling themselves. An example that was given to me was public speaking courses. But it could be resume help, computers, or even services like counselling for those that need it - a number of players struggle before, during, and after their playing days are done.
Sticking with the Canucks Alumni as an example, their operating costs are independently funded through the events they run (Alumni games, Canucks Country Rocks, etc - although the majority of all proceeds go to the charities they support). They have access to a lot of the amenities the club has to offer, such as a suite at Rogers Arena for their members.
When I organized a Canucks Alumni game a few years back, I sat and chatted with their members and their executive director for a good while just picking their brain about exactly that topic. They do a lot of good work.
Like a lot of Canuck fans, I was initially torn on the decision to sign J.T. Miller to an $8m extension for the next seven seasons. Call it 'buyers' regret' for the likes of Eriksson and Myers in the past
But in just a few short weeks, the salary landscape looks to be totally changed with new contracts for guys like Huberdeau and Kadri in Calgary; Robert Thomas and Jordan Kyrou in St. Louis; and now Nathan McKinnon for a whopping $12m in Denver. And now the thought is that Austin Matthews may even blow that contract out of the water.
And with the salary cap set to rise significantly in the post-COVID landscape, all of a sudden Miller's deal is looking like a bit of a bargain after only a few weeks. The only downside to all this is that Horvat is still unsigned, and his contract will have to reflect the new 'realities' of the NHL salary structure.
But in just a few short weeks, the salary landscape looks to be totally changed with new contracts for guys like Huberdeau and Kadri in Calgary; Robert Thomas and Jordan Kyrou in St. Louis; and now Nathan McKinnon for a whopping $12m in Denver. And now the thought is that Austin Matthews may even blow that contract out of the water.
And with the salary cap set to rise significantly in the post-COVID landscape, all of a sudden Miller's deal is looking like a bit of a bargain after only a few weeks. The only downside to all this is that Horvat is still unsigned, and his contract will have to reflect the new 'realities' of the NHL salary structure.
mriswith
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Season predict
VGK
CGY
VAN
EDM
LAK
SEA
SJS
ANA
VGK - A healthy Vegas is still the best team in the division and they'll remind everyone of that this year unless they get flattened by worst in the league injuries again. Also upgraded their coaching. They're getting old and will falter eventually but not this season.
CGY - Downgrading on wing to upgrade at centre and defense is usually a huge win. They overperformed last year but I expect the regression to be balanced by a better roster this year and our division is still weak
VAN - Our forward group and goaltending duo are good enough to carry the defense to the playoffs. If Pettersson's wrist is finally healthy I expect a monster season from him.
EDM - Deeply flawed roster but they've upgraded it and Campbell > Smith
LAK - They should be better than this, but I don't like how they're handling their players and youth, and goaltending is a question mark. If their young players stagnate again they're in trouble and I don't think they've learned their lesson in that regard.
SEA - Better than their season last year and now they've added Benier and Wright down the middle, at least one of who is going to have a strong year. Goaltending should bounce back. Still stuck with Hakstol though.
SJS - I think their roster sucks. I was floored to see that they're still a cap team, cmon guys make a plan and figure it out.
ANA - It gets disguised a bit by the ELC performances but it's still a tank roster. They should have traded Gibson ages ago and still should trade him asap now.
IDK where else to put this but I like doing it before the first preseason game, so throwing it in here. It's always fun to look back at the end of season and see what was accurate vs inaccurate.
VGK
CGY
VAN
EDM
LAK
SEA
SJS
ANA
VGK - A healthy Vegas is still the best team in the division and they'll remind everyone of that this year unless they get flattened by worst in the league injuries again. Also upgraded their coaching. They're getting old and will falter eventually but not this season.
CGY - Downgrading on wing to upgrade at centre and defense is usually a huge win. They overperformed last year but I expect the regression to be balanced by a better roster this year and our division is still weak
VAN - Our forward group and goaltending duo are good enough to carry the defense to the playoffs. If Pettersson's wrist is finally healthy I expect a monster season from him.
EDM - Deeply flawed roster but they've upgraded it and Campbell > Smith
LAK - They should be better than this, but I don't like how they're handling their players and youth, and goaltending is a question mark. If their young players stagnate again they're in trouble and I don't think they've learned their lesson in that regard.
SEA - Better than their season last year and now they've added Benier and Wright down the middle, at least one of who is going to have a strong year. Goaltending should bounce back. Still stuck with Hakstol though.
SJS - I think their roster sucks. I was floored to see that they're still a cap team, cmon guys make a plan and figure it out.
ANA - It gets disguised a bit by the ELC performances but it's still a tank roster. They should have traded Gibson ages ago and still should trade him asap now.
IDK where else to put this but I like doing it before the first preseason game, so throwing it in here. It's always fun to look back at the end of season and see what was accurate vs inaccurate.
For me slot anaheim ahead of san jose and seattle.. anaheim atleast has goaltending and speed.
Vegas' goaltending could sink them pretty quickly, so I wouldn't pencil them in for the top so soon.
Not convinced by your reasoning that VAN is poised to overtake EDM in the standings. The Oilers finished well ahead of the Canucks last season and have upgraded their one glaring area of weakness (goaltending). Even if the Canucks improved their forward group, the Oilers top 6 still looks better than the Canucks top 6.
I actually think Vegas is most vulnerable to being overtaken particularly because of their goaltending situation.
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I'm not convinced that Jack Campbell is an upgrade on Mike Smith in the Oilers net...Campbells confidence level evaporates pretty quickly...Seemed to go into total fragile mode with the Leafs last season,... and let them down at the 3/4 mark last season.
Smith is a cocky bugger..age has caught up to him..but he never suffered from lack of confidence issues like Campbell.
Smith is a cocky bugger..age has caught up to him..but he never suffered from lack of confidence issues like Campbell.
PuckMunchkin
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Add to that the fact that Toronto defends much better than Oilers and I think this might be a flop of a signing very fast.
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I have your gold medal Zippy!
Seattle pretty much went thru that last season. Neither team was good enough to compensate for that.
People are falling into the 'I haven't heard of him so he must be crap' trap on Vegas' goaltending.
Logan Thompson is good.
Lehner getting injured was probably a blessing in disguise because Vegas' goaltending would have been awful if they were playing him 40+ starts.
Logan Thompson is good.
Lehner getting injured was probably a blessing in disguise because Vegas' goaltending would have been awful if they were playing him 40+ starts.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Yeah everyone thinks they're about to roll out a very sub par Broissoit when in reality they have a very solid young goalie who has been on a meteoric development curve the last several seasons. Kind of goalie who has had success at every level he's been at, including his jam packed stint as the Vegas starter last year where he gave them a chance to win every single night when Lehner was reluctantly shelved.
People are sleeping on Thompson in a big way, especially now that they have such a fantastic defensive systems coach in Bruce Cassidy.
He's dominated the AHL the past two years and was excellent in a half-season in the NHL last year.
Goalies are voodoo so there's a risk any goalie can implode but I'd be pretty comfortable thinking he'll be a solid NHL goalie this year.
The risk that that fat, slow, injured Lehner was on a Corey Schneider trajectory was exponentially higher than the risk Thompson struggles with more responsibility but people are acting like Lehner's injury was this huge blow for them and it has totally screwed their goaltending situation. It's the opposite - they got cap relief for a terrible, washed-up goalie.
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Mike Smith was a slightly above average goaltender in his prime, but the guy could easily get mentally rattled and exploited in the 5 hole or blocker side. His highlight reel saves where usually due to him overcommitting or being caught out of position.
Jack Campbell was scapegoated in the playoffs...when the top Leafs players went MIA again in elimination games. Freddie Andersen was labled the issue and was lights out in Carolina last year.
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think that the bigger worry for vegas would be if they've f***ed up their culture w some of the things that have gone on in recent years
relativel speaking, winning can cure all.
Logan thompson carried himself like oettinger did in the first round. If vergas had an ounce of system like dallas did results would have been better
He has technique, he is calm and comes across very collected and mature
Thompson woukd have pushed lehner anyway
He has technique, he is calm and comes across very collected and mature
Thompson woukd have pushed lehner anyway
VanillaCoke
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The question is still can the vegas goalies hold up and perform for a full nhl season, not if they're going to be garbage in the net.
Vegas also added a very solid backup in Adin Hill. Their goaltending will be fine, and likely much improved over what Lehner provided last year.
The real question with Vegas is whether they've lost their identity. They built their success on having 4 fast, high-motor lines that drove possession and just wore you out. Watching primadonna Eichel float around for 20 minutes/game last year for them last year was jarring, and now they've added Phil Kessel to the mix as well while guys like Alex Tuch have left.
The real question with Vegas is whether they've lost their identity. They built their success on having 4 fast, high-motor lines that drove possession and just wore you out. Watching primadonna Eichel float around for 20 minutes/game last year for them last year was jarring, and now they've added Phil Kessel to the mix as well while guys like Alex Tuch have left.
Nevermind bringing in a coach that contradicts eichel as the top player
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