Management Discussion | Pre-Season Approaching

[MikeK]

That Miller extension is going to be an anchor. I hate it.

 

[Quinning]

So far this management core feels no different than what Benning would have done.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

So far this management core feels no different than what Benning would have done.

Management has been Aquilini for the past 10 years.

 

[mriswith]

They've done a better job at doing Benning's plan than Benning would have done, but it's still 100% Benning's plan.

 

[PG Canuck]

Just rebuild and get Bedard. Rebuilding around a player that loves the team could go a long way to finally changing the culture of this roster, for the first time in 10+ years.

 

[kylek023]

you thought last year was rock bottom. Jesus Christ this team never fails surprise me

 

[Melvin]

So far this management core feels no different than what Benning would have done.

I don't agree with this.

This past off-season, as disappointing as it was, would have been Benning's best off-season by a mile.

No 30+ year old UFA's were signed to 4+ year contracts, like Eriksson/Beagle/Ferland/etc.
Our 1st round pick wasn't traded.
No franchise crippling trades were made like RealGud/Sutter/OEL/etc.)
No RFA's were signed to contracts that made no sense based on peer comparison* like Dickinson/Hutton/countless others.

I'm not a fan of the Boeser extension but the dollar value makes sense I'm pretty sure. I'm not a fan of the Miller extension but I am certain he got a lower AAV than he would have gotten from Benning.

We didn't do much, we didn't do enough, and we arguably squandered an opportunity with Boeser/Miller where we absolutely needed to use them to improve the team in other areas and not simply bring them back.

But no different from Benning? Come on, how can you have forgotten how much of a disaster every single offseason was under Benning for 6 years? Just holding onto our top pick and not making a trade for a pylon like Gudbranson or Dickinson makes the off-season a smashing success by Benning's standards. That doesn't mean it was good.

 

[valkynax]

I don't agree with this.

This past off-season, as disappointing as it was, would have been Benning's best off-season by a mile.

No 30+ year old UFA's were signed to 4+ year contracts, like Eriksson/Beagle/Ferland/etc.
Our 1st round pick wasn't traded.
No franchise crippling trades were made like RealGud/Sutter/OEL/etc.)
No RFA's were signed to contracts that made no sense based on peer comparison* like Dickinson/Hutton/countless others.

I'm not a fan of the Boeser extension but the dollar value makes sense I'm pretty sure. I'm not a fan of the Miller extension but I am certain he got a lower AAV than he would have gotten from Benning.

We didn't do much, we didn't do enough, and we arguably squandered an opportunity with Boeser/Miller where we absolutely needed to use them to improve the team in other areas and not simply bring them back.

But no different from Benning? Come on, how can you have forgotten how much of a disaster every single offseason was under Benning for 6 years? Just holding onto our top pick and not making a trade for a pylon like Gudbranson or Dickinson makes the off-season a smashing success by Benning's standards. That doesn't mean it was good.

Damn it Melvin, you got me feeling depressed as hell...

 

[TruGr1t]

I don't agree with this.

This past off-season, as disappointing as it was, would have been Benning's best off-season by a mile.

No 30+ year old UFA's were signed to 4+ year contracts, like Eriksson/Beagle/Ferland/etc.
Our 1st round pick wasn't traded.
No franchise crippling trades were made like RealGud/Sutter/OEL/etc.)
No RFA's were signed to contracts that made no sense based on peer comparison* like Dickinson/Hutton/countless others.

I'm not a fan of the Boeser extension but the dollar value makes sense I'm pretty sure. I'm not a fan of the Miller extension but I am certain he got a lower AAV than he would have gotten from Benning.

We didn't do much, we didn't do enough, and we arguably squandered an opportunity with Boeser/Miller where we absolutely needed to use them to improve the team in other areas and not simply bring them back.

But no different from Benning? Come on, how can you have forgotten how much of a disaster every single offseason was under Benning for 6 years? Just holding onto our top pick and not making a trade for a pylon like Gudbranson or Dickinson makes the off-season a smashing success by Benning's standards. That doesn't mean it was good.

We were right up against the cap. I don't know what else Benning could have done. Fair point he'd probably have given Boeser and Miller more money faster, but not sure there was much else that could be done. I actually think Mikheyev is a pretty comparable move to something you'd see out of Benning. I guess he could have traded more 1st rounders.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I don't agree with this.

This past off-season, as disappointing as it was, would have been Benning's best off-season by a mile.

No 30+ year old UFA's were signed to 4+ year contracts, like Eriksson/Beagle/Ferland/etc.
Our 1st round pick wasn't traded.
No franchise crippling trades were made like RealGud/Sutter/OEL/etc.)
No RFA's were signed to contracts that made no sense based on peer comparison* like Dickinson/Hutton/countless others.

I'm not a fan of the Boeser extension but the dollar value makes sense I'm pretty sure. I'm not a fan of the Miller extension but I am certain he got a lower AAV than he would have gotten from Benning.

We didn't do much, we didn't do enough, and we arguably squandered an opportunity with Boeser/Miller where we absolutely needed to use them to improve the team in other areas and not simply bring them back.

But no different from Benning? Come on, how can you have forgotten how much of a disaster every single offseason was under Benning for 6 years? Just holding onto our top pick and not making a trade for a pylon like Gudbranson or Dickinson makes the off-season a smashing success by Benning's standards. That doesn't mean it was good.

While I do expect him to regress back to the mean, can we count Miller here?

He turns 30 before his massive extension kicks in.


I think you are right that the execution is better, but I think the team is still rudderless.

 

[Melvin]

We were right up against the cap. I don't know what else Benning could have done. Fair point he'd probably have given Boeser and Miller more money faster, but not sure there was much else that could be done. I actually think Mikheyev is a pretty comparable move to something you'd see out of Benning. I guess he could have traded more 1st rounders.

You underestimate Jim Benning's ability to make a horrible trade that makes everything worse, and that surprises me.

I didn't think we had the capspace to take on the OEL contract either, Benning found a way. Maybe if we had included a 1st in the Dickinson trade and thrown in Myers we could have added another awful underwater anchor of a deal, who knows.

 

[Ruthervin]

I think if management is going to commit to this core.....

They really shouldn't.

After watching tonight's game live, I am convinced that we need to blow this up. Fast. Option #3 in that earlier post that I created. Tank hard for Bedard. Keep Podkolzin and Hoglander. We will have to keep OEL unfortunately. Get rid of everyone else for elite prospects and picks. Go hard after Bedard.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

They really shouldn't.

After watching tonight's game live, I am convinced that we need to blow this up. Fast. Option #3 in that earlier post that I created. Tank hard for Bedard. Keep Podkolzin and Hoglander. We will have to keep OEL unfortunately. Get rid of everyone else for elite prospects and picks. Go hard after Bedard.

Maybe they can be honest with the players and get them on board for the Bedard plan.

 

[Peen]

Totally agree with Melvin.

This was a Jim Benning/John Weisbrod/Trevor Linden/FAQ no-plan plan executed to the highest degree we’ve seen.

That level? A f***ing C. Just average. Not good enough. Fans deserved better.

You know what they needed to turn the team around in two years like Rutherford first proposed? A+. No less.

 

[Ruthervin]

Totally agree that the off-season after the bubble success was horrid and very much set us back.

Amazing how Benning prioritized carrier cultures for all of those years and then let go of two of our biggest carrier cultures at the time (Markstrom and Edler). This team needed to proceed forward with Markstrom and Tanev at the time. Just an absolutely gut wrenching loss that has lead to this miserable state today.

I know people like Sutter, Beagle, Roussel, and Eriksson were significantly overpriced, but contracts aside, we can now see what they did for us in terms of Penalty Killing (Beagle and Sutter), Face-offs (Horvat, Beagle, Sutter), leadership, and having the ability to hold leads (Pearson-Horvat-Eriksson could be thrown out there at any time). Back in 2016, everyone wanted to move Tanev for a pick but look at what Tanev did in the dressing room........and for Quinn Hughes.

How Benning screwed that 2020 off-season is beyond me. He was afraid of committing to term on Tanev and Markstrom (cap hit wasn't the issue here), and then he goes out and gets OEL.

Oh well - hindsight is 20/20. This team is done and needs to be blown up.

I was wrong about this team.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

They really shouldn't.

After watching tonight's game live, I am convinced that we need to blow this up. Fast. Option #3 in that earlier post that I created. Tank hard for Bedard. Keep Podkolzin and Hoglander. We will have to keep OEL unfortunately. Get rid of everyone else for elite prospects and picks. Go hard after Bedard.

Based on what I know successful teams to be, i.e. the 2008-12 Canucks, this team ain't it man. Heads would have rolled in the locker room after losing 3 leads in a row and Miller would have been laughed out the room for his quote Friday. And fans called those teams "mental midgets". At least they cared.

 

[CherryToke]

**Crickets**

 

[Ruthervin]

Maybe they can be honest with the players and get them on board for the Bedard plan.

Completely agreed. Someone in the tank thread mentioned Hughes for Nemac++. I'd be on board with that. I'm not sure if it's feasible now but I'd see if the Panthers would be interested in Pettersson for Lundell+. Lundell and Bedard would be an awesome 1-2 punch down the middle at some point. Horvat gets you an elite prospect and pick as well. Kuzmenko, Garland, and Mikheyev should get picks as well.

Based on what I know successful teams to be, i.e. the 2008-12 Canucks, this team ain't it man. Heads would have rolled in the locker room after losing 3 leads in a row and Miller would have been laughed out the room for his quote Friday. And fans called those teams "mental midgets". At least they cared.

Agreed. If it's an issue of talent (or lack thereof) or players needing to grow, that can be addressed. With this team however, there's something clearly wrong with the chemistry and inside the lockerroom. Not sure if there is dissension or if it's something collectively between the ears, but something is clearly rotten. All of the leadership and intangibles that guys like Edler, Markstrom, Tanev, Sutter, Beagle, and Roussel brought to the team has completely gone out the window.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Completely agreed. Someone in the tank thread mentioned Hughes for Nemac++. I'd be on board with that. I'm not sure if it's feasible now but I'd see if the Panthers would be interested in Pettersson for Lundell+. Lundell and Bedard would be an awesome 1-2 punch down the middle at some point. Horvat gets you an elite prospect and pick as well. Kuzmenko, Garland, and Mikheyev should get picks as well.


Agreed. If it's an issue of talent (or lack thereof) or players needing to grow, that can be addressed. With this team however, there's something clearly wrong with the chemistry and inside the lockerroom. Not sure if there is dissension or if it's something collectively between the ears, but something is clearly rotten. All of the leadership and intangibles that guys like Edler, Markstrom, Tanev, Sutter, Beagle, and Roussel brought to the team has completely gone out the window.

Can you imagine JTM on a team that is clearly tanking? As the highest paid player and "leader", his pouting, tantrum, effort and defensive play rubbing off on Bedard would be tragic.
Talk about starting a rebuild with the wrong culture-carrier. I cannot think of somebody less suitable.

 

[Ruthervin]

Can you imagine JTM on a team that is clearly tanking? As the highest paid player and "leader", his pouting, tantrum, effort and defensive play rubbing off on Bedard would be tragic.
Talk about starting a rebuild with the wrong culture-carrier. I cannot think of somebody less suitable.

Get rid of him even if it requires retention.

 

[RandV]

I admire the fact there are still posters writing extensively long diatribes around this mediocre roster that never achieves much of anything, but don't worry because next off-season is going to really be the one where they somehow transform this dog into a perennial playoff team. Like holy broken record, Batman.

So out of curiosity... who's actually saying this?

I'd also like to point out that this more or less what people wanted for the Colorado plan as the Avs imploding in 2016-17 is how they added Makar to the team when they already had Mackinnon/Rantanen/Landeskog/Duchene. Something I often try to push across here is too many people don't seem to consider the time frame of how these things work.

 

[me2]

We were right up against the cap. I don't know what else Benning could have done. Fair point he'd probably have given Boeser and Miller more money faster, but not sure there was much else that could be done. I actually think Mikheyev is a pretty comparable move to something you'd see out of Benning. I guess he could have traded more 1st rounders.

The big difference is the trades. Benning's are worse. Still we go from giving away a good pick for a bad player to giving away a good pick with a bad player.

 

[Wry n Ginger]

Can we (ie YOU to whoever does this thankless job) please update some of these thread titles? Preseason what? Some of us aren't on every day etc.

Also?!!!! New thread for post game! Game thread is for live reactions...post game is for diagnosis and analysis.

Who is with ME!?

WHO IS WITH ME????

No but seriously please start a new thread for the people not losing their shit and want to talk exesandohs

 

[December5th]

whats sad is if demko was playing like the past then everything would be fine amongst most fans. to me im not even mad. this is the same canucks team ive been watching the past few years just without elite goaltending. if anything the games before this were better then previous teams years.

 

[Ruthervin]

I don't agree with this.

This past off-season, as disappointing as it was, would have been Benning's best off-season by a mile.

No 30+ year old UFA's were signed to 4+ year contracts, like Eriksson/Beagle/Ferland/etc.
Our 1st round pick wasn't traded.
No franchise crippling trades were made like RealGud/Sutter/OEL/etc.)
No RFA's were signed to contracts that made no sense based on peer comparison* like Dickinson/Hutton/countless others.

I'm not a fan of the Boeser extension but the dollar value makes sense I'm pretty sure. I'm not a fan of the Miller extension but I am certain he got a lower AAV than he would have gotten from Benning.

We didn't do much, we didn't do enough, and we arguably squandered an opportunity with Boeser/Miller where we absolutely needed to use them to improve the team in other areas and not simply bring them back.

But no different from Benning? Come on, how can you have forgotten how much of a disaster every single offseason was under Benning for 6 years? Just holding onto our top pick and not making a trade for a pylon like Gudbranson or Dickinson makes the off-season a smashing success by Benning's standards. That doesn't mean it was good.

1) Miller (29) was signed to an 8 year deal and so you get off on a technicality.
2) Boeser should not have been re-signed.
3) Our 1st round pick wasn't traded but a 2nd was basically gifted to Chicago.

We get it. You hate Benning but your bias has clearly clouded your judgement.

Ps - Benning got Petey to sign at 7.3 million and so your Miller AAV comment is clearly out to lunch.