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racerjoe said:
Does this mean we would have hired Nill as our GM? Not sure I would really be happy in that timeline either.
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Maybe they would have given Gillis a shot at a rebuild?

Just leave it open to the two choices and whatever happens after is up in the air.
 
MarkMM said:
Definitely. Patience is needed, but not a blank cheque of faith. The reasonable ground is somewhere in the middle.

Short of that, the reality is that it might take time for the market to have the flexibility to see what our management team can do, at that point we can evaluate what their strategy and execution looks like.

If they start making obviously stupid moves with a short-term mentality THEN they've forfeited any trust.

Poor asset management, bad value calls, etc.

But this might take into next season where there's enough movement and opportunities for us to get a sample size to see how good Rutherford and Alvin are.
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I think a lot of people aren't completely grasping the impact a long term flat cap has on the GM's. Like the last time the cap went up $4M+ was the Vegas expansion year in 2019. Grabbing and simplifying some trades that happened that offseason or shortly into the season:

Trevor Van Riemsdyk for a 2nd
Stepan and Raanta for 7th OV
B.Schenn for two 1st round picks
Methot for 2nd
Hamonic for 1st and two 2nds

I know the league has the cap static for a bit because of covid (when?), but when that ends it's going to be a significant jump and your Bjorkstrand's and Pacioretty's who are practically free now will probably cost 1st round picks. that specific summer.
 
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TruGr1t said:
Stupid moves can also include effectively extending this flawed roster on term at market rates thereby capping your ability to make moves due to salary (say fixing the blue line for example), while also continuing to not address the abysmal farm system (and by extension your calibre of ELCs).

This regime is starting to have a “deer in the headlights” smell that’s concerning. If they refuse to make aggressive moves out of fear of being worse, you’re just delaying the inevitable.

Drance is not wrong when he says he potentially sees the most this roster being able to accomplish is a few playoff appearances before the rebuild, though. The system is really broken from Benning.
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While I think that's fair, I also think that it's not unreasonable to give more than one off-season to see what their true plan is...

RandV said:
I think a lot of people aren't completely grasping the impact a long term flat cap has on the GM's. Like the last time the cap went up $4M+ was the Vegas expansion year in 2019. Grabbing and simplifying some trades that happened that offseason or shortly into the season:

Trevor Van Riemsdyk for a 2nd
Stepan and Raanta for 7th OV
B.Schenn for two 1st round picks
Methot for 2nd
Hamonic for 1st and two 2nds

I know the league has the cap static for a bit because of covid (when?), but when that ends it's going to be a significant jump and your Bjorkstrand's and Pacioretty's who are practically free now will probably cost 1st round picks. that specific summer.
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...for exactly this ^^ reason.
 
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Season starts in 8 days with a 5 game roadtrip. Really need some positive news, outcomes asap.
 
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Pastor Of Muppetz said:
Sounds to me like Drance is talking out of his posterior..Walking,talking clickbait.. mechanism designed to get impatient fans frothing at the mouth.
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The suggestion that Drance is appealing to impatient fans is so odd. He's doing the opposite.

Impatient fans believe that the Canucks can have serious on-ice success in the next couple of years if they make the right moves. Drance doesn't think they can do that, and if he's trying to appeal to certain fans, it's those who believe, as he does, that management needs to take a longer view.
 
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4Twenty said:
There’s actually nothing wrong with what Gear said. He’s right.

Using Nuge lol….sub 15 goal nuge who plays with McDavid and Draisatl on a pp?
Miller and Pettersson are not McDavid. Not even Draisatl.

I’d have traded 6, 9, and 53 but there’s some major underrating happening.
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What about Trocheck and Schenn?

We can play this comparable game all day. End of the day Horvat's fair value is between 6 and high 7's. Its up to management to try to get it below market rate.

And I think Horvat is going to get the Hayes contract if he enters free agency. good ole canadian, 2 way force, faceoff maestro, bubble rushes, the name Bo, ex London knight, 215 pounds, C, good locker room guy are the buzzwords that are going to flash over some desperate gm's eye
 
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If he doesn't re-sign in Vancouver, I think he'll go to Detroit.
 
Just A Bit Outside said:
This mgmt group has been a tire fire lately.
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I mean, the only bad thing that's happened is the dismissal of a low-level employee that we don't know the details of, and that wouldn't even be on anyone's radar except for her gender.

Aquilini allegedly beating his kids back during the Gillis era doesn't have anything to do with this management group.
 
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MS said:
I mean, the only bad thing that's happened is the dismissal of a low-level employee that we don't know the details of, and that wouldn't even be on anyone's radar except for her gender.

Aquilini allegedly beating his kids back during the Gillis era doesn't have anything to do with this management group.
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Oh man. Aquilini dominating his kids like a prizefighter in that era totally matches up with the guy drinking to championships he didn’t have yet.
 
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Pastor Of Muppetz said:
Sounds to me like Drance is talking out of his posterior..Walking,talking clickbait.. mechanism designed to get impatient fans frothing at the mouth.
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His point is entirely valid. Due to a confluence of variables largely related to contract structure and term, management will have limited maneuverability under the cap for the foreseeable future. It will be extremely difficult to add pieces to this team without kneecapping another part of the line-up, and it will probably be prohibitively expensive to keep the top six together for more than two years. Given the state of the farm system, it's hard to see where they can materially improve the roster near term.
 
TruGr1t said:
His point is entirely valid. Due to a confluence of variables largely related to contract structure and term, management will have limited maneuverability under the cap for the foreseeable future. It will be extremely difficult to add pieces to this team without kneecapping another part of the line-up, and it will probably be prohibitively expensive to keep the top six together for more than two years. Given the state of the farm system, it's hard to see where they can materially improve the roster near term.
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Two years from now the landscape could look considerably different regarding the cap...(not to mention most of the Canucks inefficient contracts will be off the books)....Also,there’s probably 20 other teams under the identical restraints…You seem to be completely transfixed that this is only a Canuck problem.

Nobody is saying that the Canucks are going to be a SC contender this year or next.

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The salary cap could be going up (a lot) for the 2024-25 season

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""Talking about drafting and analytics, the teams setting themselves up for sustained success do an excellent job at managing draft pick capital""

- Rachel Doerrie
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Not a snowballs chance in hell that sort of thinking was going to fly in this organization
This is Vancouver we're talking about............. what she is suggesting is practically criminal in the eyes of this team

In the words of Les Snead "F*&K them picks"
 
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