Management Discussion | Pre-Season Approaching

[rypper]

Is it too early for a beer? All this talk...

 

[Vector]

Is it too early for a beer? All this talk...

It's never too early for a beer*!




*I work in the beer industry

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Sounds to me like Drance is talking out of his posterior..Walking,talking clickbait.. mechanism designed to get impatient fans frothing at the mouth.

CLICKBAIT HEADLINE: CANUCKS MIGHT DO KINDA OKAY FOR A FEW YEARS,

 

[MS]

If I trade something for a 12 pack of beer then trade that 12 pack of beer. I no longer have a 12 pack of beer. That I got an 8 pack of beer in another transaction doesn’t make me further ahead.

That’s it in layman’s terms.

What on earth, man.

A 3rd round pick went in and out, yes. Nobody is counting that pick as part of a surplus. They've also added a 4th rounder in a separate transaction, so they have a pick surplus on account of that. I don't know how I can say this more clearly.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

He changes his opinions quicker than a fart in a windstorm.

Why hold him up to old opinions when you yourself don't hold yourself to that same standard?

 

[credulous]

OEL's contract will be expired in 4 years (not only that, his contract is buy out friendly in his final year)...The jury is out on EP being a $11M player ?...Having to pay star players is a lot more palatable than not having any star players come out of your system (see LAK).

no it's not and no it's not. if you buy out oel in july 2026 you save 3.5 mil the next season and give back 1.75 the next

 

[Josepho]

cracking up at the ability to be condescending enough to use the term "layman" without comprehending basic addition.

 

[supercanuck]

Is it too early for a beer? All this talk...

Everyone in this thread right now

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Not that I entirely agree with Frank.

But it's not totally off base either.

The defense is still a shambles.

Forward depth has already depleted.

Team has not looked good in preseason so far.

Potential disgruntled captain heading into UFA.

Bruce without a contract after the season (currently).

Heightened expectations to make the playoffs.

The storm is brewing.

Question is will it disappear or will it turn into a tornado?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

no it's not and no it's not. if you buy out oel in july 2026 you save 3.5 mil the next season and give back 1.75 the next

"As mentioned, Ekman-Larsson is 30-years-old now, and even with salary retention that’s a LOT of cap hit for a LONG time. But there’s an out there, too. He’s owed a big signing bonus in 2022-23, but after that, it’s straight cash. If the team decides he is more expensive than he’s worth, they won’t have the Eriksson stumbling block.

No more signing bonuses means a simpler – and more cost-effective – buyout. If after two seasons a buyout makes sense they can do it while cutting the cap hit dramatically. That diminished hit would last until 2030-31, so ideally they’ll avoid it completely."

Vancouver Canucks Perspective on the Oliver Ekman-Larsson Trade

The Vancouver Canucks pulled off a blockbuster Oliver Ekman-Larsson trade - but the biggest names weren't the players, but the salaries.

lastwordonsports.com

 

[TruGr1t]

Two years from now the landscape could look considerably different regarding the cap...(not to mention most of the Canucks inefficient contracts will be off the books)....Also,there’s probably 20 other teams under the identical restraints…You seem to be completely transfixed that this is only a Canuck problem.

Nobody is saying that the Canucks are going to be a SC contender this year or next.

This won’t really help the Canucks unfortunately since the rising cap will simply be factored into the pending extensions. There was already speculation Horvat’s camp is negotiating his salary under the assumption of a materially rising cap over the next 3 years. Pettersson is set to break the bank if that happens.

Myers current contract will look cheap for a top-four RS defenseman, and on and on. This team is in no position to build through free agency, even in a rising cap environment, and has nothing worthwhile to trade they’d like to part with. Then there’s the farm system.

You’re right though, there’s no way in Hell this organization comes close to a Cup in the next 3 years. Probably not in the next 5.

 

[Szechwan]

Did we ever get additional clarity on the Dorrie firing?

 

[rypper]

Did we ever get additional clarity on the Dorrie firing?

The latest was that Doerrie had hired a lawyer and they would make a statement soon.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This won’t really help the Canucks unfortunately since the rising cap will simply be factored into the pending extensions. There was already speculation Horvat’s camp is negotiating his salary under the assumption of a materially rising cap over the next 3 years. Pettersson is set to break the bank if that happens.

Myers current contract will look cheap for a top-four RS defenseman, and on and on. This team is in no position to build through free agency, even in a rising cap environment, and has nothing worthwhile to trade they’d like to part with. Then there’s the farm system.

You’re right though, there’s no way in Hell this organization comes close to a Cup in the next 3 years. Probably not in the next 5.

The RHD issue will most likely be resolved by a trade....not free agency...In fact, if the Canucks can maintain and keep their core players, they wont really have to rely on free agency at all...There are no obvious deficiencies in goal, or forward.

I'd hold off on the doomsaying about Bo's and EP's contracts...Thats what everyone was saying about the Miller contract...If these players want to play here, they'll make the numbers work.

In a few years the Canucks farm system should consistently start yielding NHL players.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Did we ever get additional clarity on the Dorrie firing?

Sounds messy and may take a while based on this:

 

[andora]

Definitely. Patience is needed, but not a blank cheque of faith. The reasonable ground is somewhere in the middle.

Short of that, the reality is that it might take time for the market to have the flexibility to see what our management team can do, at that point we can evaluate what their strategy and execution looks like.

If they start making obviously stupid moves with a short-term mentality THEN they've forfeited any trust.

Poor asset management, bad value calls, etc.

But this might take into next season where there's enough movement and opportunities for us to get a sample size to see how good Rutherford and Alvin are.

With some of the people hired i do believe the concept of value contracts is more present which is a good thing.. and as long as your bottom 5 forwards and bottom 2 dmen and backup goalie are used with this only in mind that is a good start

And lol at this thread and the draft pick talk

 

[Tomatoes11]

Not that I entirely agree with Frank.

But it's not totally off base either.

The defense is still a shambles.

Forward depth has already depleted.

Team has not looked good in preseason so far.

Potential disgruntled captain heading into UFA.

Bruce without a contract after the season (currently).

Heightened expectations to make the playoffs.

The storm is brewing.

Question is will it disappear or will it turn into a tornado?

I dunno. I think Frank is pretty dead on. Really shouldn’t have took the 1 year option on Boudreau especially when this year is such a strong draft and you weren’t even the one that hired Boudreau.

Should have just had an interim coach who is more of a development coach until Trotz is ready to work again. Then go all in Pastorz style.

This way you take advantage of a strong draft, have the opportunity to reetool, and fix your coaching situation long term. Unless Boudreau is going to be our long term coach, shouldn’t have even taken the option in the first place.

 

[StreetHawk]

I dunno. I think Frank is pretty dead on. Really shouldn’t have took the 1 year option on Boudreau especially when this year is such a strong draft and you weren’t even the one that hired Boudreau.

Should have just had an interim coach who is more of a development coach until Trotz is ready to work again. Then go all in Pastorz style.

This way you take advantage of a strong draft, have the opportunity to reetool, and fix your coaching situation long term. Unless Boudreau is going to be our long term coach, shouldn’t have even taken the option in the first place.

Keep losing and the talented players that they have may either ask to be traded or advise that they are not re-signing when they are due up.

 

[Tomatoes11]

Keep losing and the talented players that they have may either ask to be traded or advise that they are not re-signing when they are due up.

Oilers and Sabres have no issues keeping their McMuffins and Drais. Yes Eichel left but that was a entirely different situation.

Speaking of the Oilers, unless Bo takes a Nuge type sweetheart deal trade him.

 

[MS]

Oilers and Sabres have no issues keeping their McMuffins and Drais. Yes Eichel left but that was a entirely different situation.

Speaking of the Oilers, unless Bo takes a Nuge type sweetheart deal trade him.

Oilers have been a top team for the last couple years.

Buffalo lost their franchise player in Eichel, plus Reinhart wanted out. Buffalo is literally the template for what happens when you suck forever - your top talent is both poisoned and wants out.

 

[vancityluongo]

I don't think it's all that hot of a take that Boudreau could be the first coach fired. The point on the friction around the extension is valid and an interesting thing to note.

The front office has also absolutely doubled down (at least for this season) on the core that is here. That's what they're betting on. Bruce isn't (really) Allvin's coach. If the team doesn't perform, firing the coach you don't see as a long-term guy is the easiest thing to do; other than Horvat (the captain and longest tenured player), they don't have any "rentals" that could be moved to shake things up (unless they move Kuzmenko, which won't happen).

Doubt Bruce is gone at the end of October or anything, even if they start out 0-6, but it wouldn't be that wild to see them make a move to put Yeo in as the interim coach for the rest of the year if the team is sitting around 11th place / 6th in the Pacific following the Christmas break.

 

[MarkMM]

The RHD issue will most likely be resolved by a trade....not free agency...In fact, if the Canucks can maintain and keep their core players, they wont really have to rely on free agency at all...There are no obvious deficiencies in goal, or forward.

I'd hold off on the doomsaying about Bo's and EP's contracts...Thats what everyone was saying about the Miller contract...If these players want to play here, they'll make the numbers work.

In a few years the Canucks farm system should consistently start yielding NHL players.

If they're able to swing a Horvat for a solid RHD then this team suddenly looks balanced and affordable, especially if you can offload someone like Garland even just for futures or whatever.

Some nice growth from the likes of Podkolzin, Hoglander, Lekkerrimaki growing into something real, and we might not be a contender but it'll be a solid team. Still against the odds a bit to pull some impact players from the draft or swing some winning trades, but that's the best route to be put on a path to have a decent team that you can start adding pieces to and moving up in the world.

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

The most annoying thing about that report from Severalli re. Boudreau is just that it seems possible. The Canucks over the last 8 years have been guilty of many things, but in my opinion one of the most egregious has been their lack of any ability to commit to a direction for the team. Not going to re-litigate the Benning stuff as that is pretty self-explanatory, but with the new management group I hoped for something different. They came in with ALL of the talk about making moves, moving players and fundamentally changing the make up of the team. Admittedly, prices looked to have swung to a degree that that wasn't a great plan anymore, so then they decide to sign Mikheyev to a mid-money deal, re-sign Miller and push for the playoffs.

However, if that's now the goal, why is there not an extension for Boudreau on his desk the same day as the Miller signing? He's one of the winningest coaches in the history of the league. in the regular season. It feels like the management group is trying to maintain a level of optionality, but for what purpose? This team is built to be a playoff contender, not a Stanley Cup contender. How do we not want to increase our chances of making the playoffs to the greatest degree possible?

Committing to a direction takes courage and vision, not the least of which because they might be wrong and they have to wear being wrong in that way. Courage & vision have been long missing in Vancouver,

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Courage & vision have been long missing in Vancouver,

This could be like the tagline or something in a bio on our piece of shit owner.

Like I mean he beats small children and he’s a complete f***ing idiot with his hockey “leadership.”

 

[Hit the post]

If I trade something for a 12 pack of beer then trade that 12 pack of beer. I no longer have a 12 pack of beer. That I got an 8 pack of beer in another transaction doesn’t make me further ahead.

That’s it in layman’s terms.

If Jimbo was involved, he'd get stuck with a 12 pack of O'Doule's branded beer