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Malkin is the best Russian player ever
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Funny.. There are supposedly all these "reports" of players and media saying Datsyuk was the best player, but those same players nominated him for the lindsay 1x and that same media voted him in the Hart top 5 a whopping 1x.
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Definitely agree. I'm a huge Mogilny fan, but he doesn't really belong in the conversation at all.
You certainly aren't good at evaluating players.
And accolades of a league that doesn't respect international hockey and actually works with massive propaganda to push it's (north american) poster boys are pretty meaningless. They can hand Crosby the next 5 Conn Smythes in advance or create another absurd tournament like the "World" Cup. If that's what they need to earn more money...
I still have my eyes and can see for myself which player is worth what.
I truly think a lot of it had to do with the team he played for. If you watched him in the late 2000s you wouldn't really question it much. Or if you did then just a difference of opinion I guess. He was every bit as good as the best players since 2005 for several seasons IMO, and for brief stretches in the playoffs after 2010. Best defensive forward with that offensive skillset? Yeah, it's not hard to imagine.
I posted this in another thread, but in the first 82 consecutive games Bure played for Florida he had 70 goals and 108 points. These games all took place in 1999 and 2000, not exactly an easy time to score in.
Based on what? The fact that he could stickhandle better? He's simply not as good as the others here, he was much like Mogilny, super talented but just simply not as good as Malkin or Ovechkin.
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Datsyuk was MAYBE the 2nd best player for 1-2 seasons. Ovechkin was the best player in the world 07/08-09/10. Malkin and Datsyuk each have a good argument for 2nd in 07/08 and 08/09, but I'd lean towards Malkin. But OV was quite clearly number one, every stat and award voting record proved that.
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Federov was a beast, played about 150 games as a defenseman and was good enough at it to win a Norris had he stayed at the position.
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Ummm, wtf are you talking about? In the last 20 years the Hart trophy split with NA/Europe is 11-9 for NA and the lindsay is 11-9 in favour of Europe. In other words, it's exactly 50/50. So where's the NA love and international hate?
And the poster said Bure wasn't in contention for scoring titles, so rosses/rockets. That has nothing to do with "propaganda" or "poster boys", you're either good enough or you're not.
Federov or Malkin . Bure at his peak was also amazing but he lacks the longevity.
Kovy could had been up there as well.
Kovy could had been up there as well.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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I would take Datsyuk AND Bure on my "All Soviet Team" ahead of Malkin. For every minute of game film you can find of Malkin actually driving the play (and not just being a really talented player who happens to be out there ~20 minutes a night providing one or two highlights), I feel like I can guarantee you can find 5-10 minutes of either Dats or Bure making things happen.
And I'd still take Fedorov over all of them.
And I'd still take Fedorov over all of them.
I'd consider ranking Malkin over Fedorov or Ovechkin at this point, but it's you who looks like the silly fanboy. Fedorov played a massive role on 3 Cup winners, won the Hart and Pearson, and is one of the best defensive centres to ever play the game. Ovechkin is a 3-time MVP and has worked his way into the conversation for greatest goalscorer of all time.
Have some perspective.
Pickles
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Can't believe how much old Soviet players are overrated. The only guys who had superstar talent were Kharlamov and Makarov, and they're still a question mark since they never played NHL hockey in their primes. Krutov 'one of the best goal scorers on earth' was a flop and scored 11 with the Canucks over 60+ games.
You need a brain scan if you think Larionov is better than Malkin. Bure has no business being ranked ahead of him either.
You need a brain scan if you think Larionov is better than Malkin. Bure has no business being ranked ahead of him either.
Luigi Lemieux
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I think Datsyuk and Fedorov you could at least argue since they had such strong defensive games (still take Malkin though since he's been at an elite level since stepping foot in the NHL, while those guys had much shorter primes), but it's hard for me to believe anyone thinks Mogilny and Bure are better than Malkin. There's no argument for either of them...Malkin is significantly better. Malkin is both a top 5 goal scorer and top 5 playmaker of this era and has way more weapons than any of those guys. The only guy in Malkin's way of being the best Russian NHL'er ever is Ovechkin, due to his sheer domination of the goal scoring race over the past 10 years.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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Yup. 29k+ posts and about 35 years of watching/playing/studying hockey. I'm not even saying there isn't room for argument, and I'm certainly not implying that I've watched the millions of hours of video and stopwatched it all. It's just my opinion and impression.
