Malkin is the best Russian player ever
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Laineux
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Pavel Bure Hart finishes
3, 9, 12
Alex Ovechkin Hart finishes
1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 6, 6, 12, 14, 23
Goal finishes
Bure
1, 2, 2, 3, 6, 7
Ovechkin
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5
Points per game finishes
Bure
3, 7, 7, 8
Ovechkin
1, 1, 1, 5, 5, 8, 9, 9
Points finishes
Bure
2, 3, 5, 7
Ovechkin
1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 7, 8
I'm sorry but Bure is simply not anywhere near the same stratosphere as Ovechkin.
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I never said he was better just that his goal totals were easy to compare with Ovechkin.
Also if you are going to try and bring trophies into the discussion, at least get it right.
Bure Won three Rockets as top goal scorer not the 1 you indicate. Well technically 2 since the award did not exist yet when he led the league with 60 in 1993-94.
He also is 5th all time in the NHL for goals per game with Ovechkin 6th and it is highly doubtful that Ovechkin will ever pass him at this point with Bure at .623 to .606
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That had to be from a Crosby fan
Crosby fans believe, They don't need to see the actual players play the actual game.
With all due respect to Gordie Howe he wasn't even in the same tier as Kharlamov.
C'mon. Can you not at least admit it was close?
They played on the same ice only in 1974 (I watched every game). 46 year old Gordie Howe in 7 games on a weaker Team...3 goals and 4 assists. 26 year old Kharlamov on a stronger Team in 8 games... 2 goals and 5 assists. Howe ppg...Kharlamov...almost
I think maybe they were on the same tier...at that time
C'mon. Can you not at least admit it was close?
They played on the same ice only in 1974 (I watched every game). 46 year old Gordie Howe in 7 games on a weaker Team...3 goals and 4 assists. 26 year old Kharlamov on a stronger Team in 8 games... 2 goals and 5 assists. Howe ppg...Kharlamov...almost
I think maybe they were on the same tier...at that time
Stats obsessed North Americans will be stats obsessed North Americans. Why should I admit omething that never was true? Overrate Canadians all you want. I know all the north american myths about hockey by now. They are also the reason for this thread in the first place.
People will say what they will about Crosby's Conn Smythes. I have no issue with either one. But anyone suggesting Malkin should have won the CS during the Pens second cup win of this era is just being horrendously biased.
At best Malkin was probably the Pens #5 candidate for that run.
Crosby, Kessel, Letang and Murray were all much better.
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Bure also played in a league with Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Sakic, Forsberg, Lindros, Yzerman, Federov . . . top end talent was a lot higher back then than now.
GordieHowsUrBreath
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here we go again with the nostalgia and pretending the 10th best player 20 years ago would be the best today
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If Crosby was better than everyone on this list except for Gretzky and Lemieux, and Malkin & Ovechkin are almost as good as Crosby, what does that make Malkin and Ovechkin?
here we go again with the nostalgia and pretending the 10th best player 20 years ago would be the best today
Who the hell said that? The league was a bit smaller so the top end talent was more compacted into a smaller number of team. I have no problem saying that Bure played in an era with a lot of high-end talent, especially scoring talent.
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A counter-point to that is the more "run-of-the-mill" players today are far more skilled than their counterparts were 25 years ago. Makes it way more difficult for the top-end players of today to differentiate themselves.
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PoutineSp00nZ
Electricity is really just organized lightning.
here we go again with the nostalgia and pretending the 10th best player 20 years ago would be the best today
Never said that all those players are better than the players today. But a guy like Crosby is closer to Yzerman or FOrsberg than he is to Gretzky or Lemieux, and guys liek Yzerman and Forsberg weren't the elite of the elite back then.
A higher abundance of top end talent existed in the 90s spread among fewer teams. That's all I'm saying.
Disagree.
The argument that that players are in better shape today etc etc and this are better are one sided. You don't think if those players from 20 years ago would not be training in the same way now?
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"THE MAN" has easily surpassed yzerman and forsberg and he just turned 30, it will be absolutely silly to put those guys in the same sentence as him when his career is over, heck it's silly now if you ask me
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what makes you think they weren't training well? we know mario had training issues but what about the rest?
I do agree Crosby is better than Yzermen and Forsberg. But what that user said is true in my opinion. Crosby is closer to Yzermen and Forsberg than to 66 and 99. No player is close 66 or 99. Those 2 are in a different planet. The difference between Crosby vs Forsberg/Yzermen is not as big as you think. Yzermen played in same era as Gretzky and Lemieux. Without those 2 I think there is good chance Yzermen would of gotten a few Hart and Ross in the 80s. If Crosby played in the same era as 66 and 99 he might not even have half of the awards and ast that he has. Forsberg does have a higher ppg average in the playoffs than Crosby and he is not far behind in the regular season. There is a good chance when Crosby is done Frosberg will have a higher ppg than him.
However like I said I do think Crosby is better but the gap is not as big as you think.
Aside from Crosby who else is better than these centers
I want to exclude Mcdavid because he only played in the league for 2 years
Forsberg
Sakic
Messier
Yzermen
Forsberg
Lindros
Fedorov
Aside from Ovechkin which winger do you think was better than
Jagr
Bure
Selannae
Kariya
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