Major Trade coming this offseason.

[Leafs1991]

So many words and all it boils down to is just your opinion and your bias.

It is hilarious that you and the other dubas fan boys think the majority of his moves are wins and yet we can't win even a single series against the worst team that made the playoffs.

There have been countless examples where his fanboys cant help but gush over any trade or signing only for it to turn out that it wasn't such a good move after all. Kadri, sparks, foligno, the rfa contracts, etc, etc.

If dubas was as good as you and his other fans think, we wouldn't have lost in the first round, again.

At some point you need to realize that you are using emotion and bias to weigh his moves. I am using facts and results. One is clearly superior to the other but I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

It made sense to take a chance on Sparks due to age. Not trying to defend Dubas but to me, that was a logical move.

Second, I think there are many people who can recognize his bad moves but also the good things he has done. In other words, acknowledging the good moves means someone is biased now? I didn't see any bias in what that guy posted.

 

[Egghead1999]

Here in Philly today there is some chatter about Travis Konecny going to the Leafs in a package for Marner, as part of a blockbuster trade. Not sure who else would be part of the "package" but it seems like Konecny was the main entrée. Just my guess, but if something happens between the Leafs and Philly it might be a package like Konecny and Sanheim for Marner.

that is fireable trade. If Leafs let Marner go, it should be a 1 to 1 deal. Then, looking at Dubas trade history, I would not be surprise for that as well.

 

[HarryLime]

It's Marner guys. Don't overthink it

He cannot play effectively when the style changes. He has 12 points in 32 playoff games and that makes him look BETTER than the numbers suggest..... It's not that he just doesn't score, he gives the puck away.... He takes shots others could score.... He is always given chance after chance after chance and he looks like a 15 year old kid out there and it's so easy for any player with size to just lean on him or hit him and the puck goes the other way. He was already having an embarrassing playoffs and in game 7, in a tie game he tries to dance through an entire team and gets clowned. Puck goes the other way, Montreal scores. What more needs to be proven? You see a mistake and you fix it. Them letting him continue to be on the team is just insanity at this point. If they trade him, sure he might score 90-100 points but so what? He literally can't play in the post season. Hockey playoffs are a real thing and he CAN'T be effective. His game is tailor made for open space, off man rushes and less intense matches. He is awful. I'm not just saying that but he is an AWFUL player for the playoff style that is absolutely a real thing. I've never seen an athlete besides maybe Kershaw who dropped off like this. At least he gives his team quality starts. Marner is a liability out there. He is trash at everything besides the PK. If they don't trade him it's because our brass has no balls or because the other GMs realize that MM is a bad hockey player.

 

[Donnie740]

If this were to happen and Shanny Dubas and Keefe were axed who would be the ideal three to take charge of this team?

Start with Spuds Gallant as HC and give him some competent assistant coaches.

 

[Egghead1999]

Leafs biggest problem was putting the young players in a position to offensively succeed, before having to succeed defensively. As a result they maximized their offensive totals early and demanded to be paid like free agents. Team should've had coaches like Hitchcock, Trotz and Brindamour first. Look at Aho... in his contract year he had 83 points in 82 games (whopping +25) compared to Marner 94 in 82 (plus 22). Carolina scored something like 16 percent less goals but allowed like 13% less than Toronto. Marner got paid nearly 3 million more than Aho because of it. Not to mention, I'm sure Marner had it easy as defensive assignments were likely easier at times due to Matthews being on a different line (he also had Tavares as a linemate while Aho had lesser skilled linemates).

Switch Aho and Marner that year and I certainly don't think Marner hits 90 points.

Marner issue is not his 11 Millioin (in fact, he got 15M in REAL money this year); His problem is no show in playoff. If he was playing like Marchand in the playoff, no one would have issue.

 

[AllDay28]

Who do you suppose hired Trotz in NYI?

First thing Lamoriello did when he got there was fire the useless coach and inept GM.

He didn’t hire some minor league hack who happened to be his buddy or his neighbour or his college roommate to be the coach.

He hired someone competent like Trotz

oh yaaaa look at Trotz to begin his career

Oh man talk about dog shit. Good thing being ass for 10ish years he was given opportunities to turn it around. Keefe already has a better coaching record 2 years in if we compare to Trotz He still has 20? Years to win a title. Watch out for trotz so good.

also look at all those first round exits. Trotz would fit right in here.

 

[HarryLime]

oh yaaaa look at Trotz to begin his career

Oh man talk about dog shit. Good thing being ass for 10ish years he was given opportunities to turn it around. Keefe already has a better coaching record 2 years in. He still has 20? Years to win a title. Watch out for trotz so good.

also look at all those first round exits. Trotz would fit right in here.

I mean you raise a good point so you deserve credit, and I mean that. Seriously, keep posting that as a response because it's true

Only thing I'll say is that he coached some really average Preds teams that were massive underdogs for a long time. Keefe had the better team 2/2 times and is 0/2 and he was outcoached badly by Torts. I don't blame him as much for MTL but he should have benched Marner. Idk how anyone growing up watching hockey can say benching Marner is a bad idea. He cost TO the series.

 

[Donnie740]

oh yaaaa look at Trotz to begin his career

Oh man talk about dog shit. Good thing being ass for 10ish years he was given opportunities to turn it around. Keefe already has a better coaching record 2 years in if we compare to Trotz He still has 20? Years to win a title. Watch out for trotz so good.

also look at all those first round exits. Trotz would fit right in here.

Because starting your coaching career with a brand new expansion team is the same thing as starting your coaching career with a young team coming off a 105 point season.

You’re making a fool of yourself with such a ridiculous post.

 

[AllDay28]

Because starting your coaching career with a brand new expansion team is the same thing as starting your coaching career with a young team coming off a 105 point season.

You’re making a fool of yourself with such a ridiculous post.

Vegas says hey

I thought you watched the games.. you’d know that Vegas is an expansion and good.

keep moving the goal posts tho

 

[Donnie740]

Keefe had the better team 2/2 times and is 0/2 and he was outcoached badly by Torts. I don't blame him as much for MTL but he should have benched Marner.

Keefe was out coached against Montreal by an ENORMOUS margin. It wasn’t even remotely close. He didn’t even bother to take advantage of having the last change at home FFS.

 

[HarryLime]

Keefe was out coached against Montreal by an ENORMOUS margin. It wasn’t even remotely close. He didn’t even bother to take advantage of having the last change at home FFS.

I saw adjustments tbh. Fact is, Matthews and Marner failed. Just how I saw it. If they played decent, Leafs win in 5.

 

[Gabriel426]

Vegas says hey

I thought you watched the games.. you’d know that Vegas is an expansion and good.

keep moving the goal posts tho

Vegas made the whole league looks like a joke with the way the assemble their team and how they play.
They played more playoffs games than most teams including the Leafs over the past four years.

 

[Donnie740]

I saw adjustments tbh. Fact is, Matthews and Marner failed. Just how I saw it. If they played decent, Leafs win in 5.

Yes, putting in the hopelessly overmatched Sandin was an “adjustment” - - just not a very intelligent adjustment and one that cost the Leafs TWO (2) games in the series.

 

[HarryLime]

Yes, putting in the hopelessly overmatched Sandin was an “adjustment” - - just not a very intelligent adjustment and one that cost the Leafs TWO (2) games in the series.

Was this after the Muzzin injury because they did have to put someone in and it was either him or someone unproven. Sandin is supposed to be a big piece of their team so they put faith in him. I just watched the CBJ series and couldn't believe the bs. This series to me was kind of "whoever wants it, can have it" and Toronto's big guns didn't do a damn thing besides King Joff. I think it takes the pressure off when they combine for 1 goal. But I want Keefe axed so I'm cool with saying whatever helps i guess.

 

[Donnie740]

Vegas says hey

I thought you watched the games.. you’d know that Vegas is an expansion and good.

keep moving the goal posts tho

If only the Leafs non-skill players had as much tenacity as the Dubas fanboi brigade - - just keep charging straight ahead and throwing things at the net, even if they never actually produce anything of substance.

 

[Stephen]

oh yaaaa look at Trotz to begin his career

Oh man talk about dog shit. Good thing being ass for 10ish years he was given opportunities to turn it around. Keefe already has a better coaching record 2 years in if we compare to Trotz He still has 20? Years to win a title. Watch out for trotz so good.

also look at all those first round exits. Trotz would fit right in here.

You are aware that Barry Trotz started out on the expansion Nashville Predators and earned universal praise for doing a great job with a no hope bunch of cast offs, right? All well and good if all you think time will turn Keefe into Scotty Bowman, but let's try to be respectful of the greats in the game when making your point.

 

[Morbo]

Here in Philly today there is some chatter about Travis Konecny going to the Leafs in a package for Marner, as part of a blockbuster trade. Not sure who else would be part of the "package" but it seems like Konecny was the main entrée. Just my guess, but if something happens between the Leafs and Philly it might be a package like Konecny and Sanheim for Marner.

yeah I really doubt that's going to get it done even if Marner were available, which he is currently not.

 

[CelticDruid]

Here in Philly today there is some chatter about Travis Konecny going to the Leafs in a package for Marner, as part of a blockbuster trade. Not sure who else would be part of the "package" but it seems like Konecny was the main entrée. Just my guess, but if something happens between the Leafs and Philly it might be a package like Konecny and Sanheim for Marner.

Sanheim was -22 this year.

 

[Donnie740]

You are aware that Barry Trotz started out on the expansion Nashville Predators and earned universal praise for doing a great job with a no hope bunch of cast offs, right? All well and good if all you think time will turn Keefe into Scotty Bowman, but let's try to be respectful of the greats in the game when making your point.

Why let facts get in the way of a nonsensical comment?

Spin to Win! Starring the Analytics Fanboi.

 

[Seras]

No one important is available, nor should they be.

 

[The Masters]

Habs have zero offence but the best goalie in the world and everyone on the same shut down game
Plan. Ha unbelivable.
Leafs are a bunch of losers. Marner matthews dubas shanny keefe all dummies.

 

[Donnie740]

Habs have zero offence but the best goalie in the world and everyone on the same shut down game
Plan. Ha unbelivable.
Leafs are a bunch of losers. Marner matthews dubas shanny keefe all dummies.

Almost hard to believe Montreal is heading to the semi finals.

What a wasted opportunity by the Leafs.

 

[ottomaddox]

Win or lose, we all know our core is seriously flawed. Is this the year we finally see a major trade from within the “core”?
I doubt we look to trade matthews.
Do we ask Tavares to waive?
Do we move Reilly with a year left on his deal? Do we resign him for big money?
Do we move Nylander (the only one who is playing very well)?

Or.... do we do what most people are probably thinking?... Trade Mitch Marner.
It seems like the most sensible thing to do to reshape a very flawed core. Does anyone believe this core can achieve great things (salaries considered)?

Marner for Eichel? (What needs to be added?)
Marner for picks and prospects (what can we expect)?

Will Dubas even be the guy making the moves if we lose game 7?

If there is a major trade coming you better let us know.

I think a major trade is an admittance to failure.

 

[sparxx87]

Was this after the Muzzin injury because they did have to put someone in and it was either him or someone unproven. Sandin is supposed to be a big piece of their team so they put faith in him. I just watched the CBJ series and couldn't believe the bs. This series to me was kind of "whoever wants it, can have it" and Toronto's big guns didn't do a damn thing besides King Joff. I think it takes the pressure off when they combine for 1 goal. But I want Keefe axed so I'm cool with saying whatever helps i guess.

Nah, it was game 1. Dermott was good all year and his pair with Bogosian gave them a solid 3rd unit that they didn’t have to hide. This pair coupled with TJ Brodie was a big part of their improved defense this year.

Taking Dermott out for Sandin at that point was pure lunacy.

...and they traded 4th round pick for experienced vet Ben Hutton. Didn’t see a minute of action (before or after Muzzin got hurt)

Dumb decisions all around.

 

[Boxscore]

yeah I really doubt that's going to get it done even if Marner were available, which he is currently not.

I agree, and would not make that trade if I were the Leafs. If we trade Marner to the Flyers, I'd rather add a prospect like Liljegren and try to get Travis Konecny and Ivan Provorov.