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ottomaddox said:
We need depth. Different types of players. Eichel only presents more cap problems.
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Ironically, Eichel costs almost a million less than Marner. My concern with him would be health, bad habits developed over 6 years on Buffalo and seemingly very negative responses to adverse situations (without knowing what exactly goes on behind closed doors in Buffalo). Still, it’s probably a good DeRozan for Leonard type shakeup and improves the skill level on the team.

That said a Marner for Dahlin plus might also be the higher IQ play. If Dahlin pans out, huge if, we get a Salming level defender, cap flexibility and rebalanced core marching forward. Downside there is the build will lag a couple of years while Dahlin gets caught up to speed.
 
I'd prefer to talk to Nashville about Forsberg/Ellis or Ekholm package, assuming they can talk to Forsberg about a possible extension.
Not saying Nashville would do it, or what they would want but it's something to investigate.
 
ottomaddox said:
We need depth. Different types of players. Eichel only presents more cap problems.
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True but he is better than Marner if healthy and saves almost $1m in cap space. The other target is probably Seth Jones who probably signs for $3-4m less than Marner. Getting Jones allows you to move 44 and his muffin shot for a forward to replace Marner.
 
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Zero interest in Eichel.

That is, I don't mind him as a player, incredible talent, but this is the opposite of trading two first-round picks to bring in Kessel when what Toronto really needed was a center. This time, it's 3C on the shopping list but Jack is a massive overkill, and forget moving any of AM, JT or Eichel to the wing - so you're trading a $10M winger to what, bring another one in? Or switch an $11M center to the wing? Beyond ridiculous.

If they're going to move Marner I'd argue to first use that short-lived cap space to address the depth problem among the team's forwards. I'd rather two $3.5-5M middle 6 guys (and yes, a 3C ideally) that bring some offence and serious compete.

With Freddy likely gone a little bit of that space may also help get a decent goalie in the same price range considering right now, there's Jack and nothing else.
 
kevsh said:
Zero interest in Eichel.

That is, I don't mind him as a player, incredible talent, but this is the opposite of trading two first-round picks to bring in Kessel when what Toronto really needed was a center. This time, it's 3C on the shopping list but Jack is a massive overkill, and forget moving any of AM, JT or Eichel to the wing - so you're trading a $10M winger to what, bring another one in? Or switch an $11M center to the wing? Beyond ridiculous.

If they're going to move Marner I'd argue to first use that short-lived cap space to address the depth problem among the team's forwards. I'd rather two $3.5-5M middle 6 guys (and yes, a 3C ideally) that bring some offence and serious compete.

With Freddy likely gone a little bit of that space may also help get a decent goalie in the same price range considering right now, there's Jack and nothing else.
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Unless you can get Jones or better for Marner, I'd gladly take Eichel and move JT to wing. You would have the best 1-2 punch down the middle for a decade. Even so, you could flip him to the Rangers for Lafreniere and Kakko?? I would not trade Marner for anything but another elite player.
 
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ToneDog said:
Unless you can get Jones or better for Marner, I'd gladly take Eichel and move JT to wing. You would have the best 1-2 punch down the middle for a decade. Even so, you could flip him to the Rangers for Lafreniere and Kakko?? I would not trade Marner for anything but another elite player.
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I agree in theory, but have severe hesitation on Eichel, especially if his injury is debilitating.
What about moving Marner for one good defenseman and one solid forward? Or even that and some draft picks?
We don’t really need an elite player for him, but quality pieces.
 
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Captain14 said:
I agree in theory, but have severe hesitation on Eichel, especially if his injury is debilitating.
What about moving Marner for one good defenseman and one solid forward? Or even that and some draft picks?
We don’t really need an elite player for him, but quality pieces.
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Depends on which teams might be interested given the 11m cap hit.

Off the cuff.

Buffalo - Reinhart and Dahlin or #1 pick (Power) -pipe dream.
Columbus - Jones or Werenski + Foudy -pipe dream
Ottawa -Chabot + Brown -good luck
Nashville -Ekholm + Forsberg -unlikely
Vancouver - Boeser/Miller/Horvat and Schmidt -doubt it
Minny - Dumba/Spurgeon/Brodin + Foligno -probably not
LA - Byfield or Turcotte, Vilardi + #1 pick + ??
 
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ToneDog said:
Depends on which teams might be interested given the 11 cap hit.

Off the cuff.

Buffalo - Reinhart and Dahlin or #1 pick (Power) -pipe dream.
Columbus - Jones or Werenski + Foudy -pipe dream
Ottawa -Chabot + Brown -good luck
Nashville -Ekholm + Forsberg -unlikely
Vancouver - Boeser/Miller/Horvat and Schmidt -doubt it
Minny - Dumba/Spurgeon/Brodin + Foligno -proably not
LA - Byfield or Turcotte, Vilardi + #1 pick + ??
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This is what I was talking about: Established players (besides the LA deal) that help in a few areas of need.

The Nashville duo would be something if they each had a couple more years left on their deals (of course the Preds would be less willing to move them, or if so demand a huge return), but from the Leafs side Matthias would make Reilly expendable and the return for Morgan could help with forward depth.
 
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So where are we on this major trade actually happening? I feel its a nah, based on what management said. I don't see another team stepping up with a legit offer (for Marner), and I doubt Dubas is actively shopping.

Some good suggestions in there... would love for one of them to play out.
 
wingman75 said:
So where are we on this major trade actually happening? I feel its a nah, based on what management said. I don't see another team stepping up with a legit offer (for Marner), and I doubt Dubas is actively shopping.

Some good suggestions in there... would love for one of them to play out.
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If any major piece is moved it’s likely Rielly and even that isn’t a guarantee.
 
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ottomaddox said:
Why do leaf fans want Eichel? A 3rd franchise center to play 14 min a night on the 3rd line is what this team needs?

This seems like video game trade talk to me.
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It’s funny because it’s so true.

If it’s successful in NHL21 then it must also be successful in real life too.
 
- Eichel is not what they need. Neither was Taylor Hall. In the end their biggest need by far is cap space! These failures fall on the entire organization.

- They do not need more skill, they need will, size, commitment and Gamers. They picked up some of it this year, it translated somewhat in the regular season, disappeared when it mattered.

- I don't think the Leafs brass realize how much unhappiness there is with this franchise. Corporations will still buy tickets, ad spots and handouts from sponsors to players (maybe part of the problem from a success on the ice standpoint?), expect a decrease in T.V ratings next year barring really dramatic changes.

- Leafs are going to have to get meaner. Plain and simple. Meaner, tougher, harder to play against. They need guys with the disposition of a Muzzin. They need guys who are willing to stand in front of the net, something we saw Simmonds and even Thornton do in the regular season, then they disappeared in the playoffs.

- Anyone watching Perry take hits in front of the net? Ironically he begged to be a Leaf, we made theoretically the better choice with Simmonds, but Perry showed his value in the post-season, others did not. We need that.

- Pick up big backend D men and if possible, resign Bogosian (which seems less likely for some reason) and Galchenyuk. Get a guy with a point shot if possible for the PP and nurture Sandin in sheltered, 3rd pair minutes and PP time. Pick up big, forechecking forwards designed for the playoffs. Hitting, wearing down the teams D, making it somewhat easier for our soft stars to perform in the playoffs, their DNA isn't going to change.

- I advise Leaf fans to watch the way Vegas forwards play. If Leafs brought that relentless drive to the puck and around the net, the Habs would have been lucky to win a game. They've grossly outplayed the Avs in the last three games and only a PP in O.T in game two prevented a 3-1 series lead for the Knights.

That is all, as you were.
 
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Leafsfan74 said:
- Eichel is not what they need. Neither was Taylor Hall. In the end their biggest need by far is cap space! These failures fall on the entire organization.

- They do not need more skill, they need will, size, commitment and Gamers. They picked up some of it this year, it translated somewhat in the regular season, disappeared when it mattered.

- I don't think the Leafs brass realize how much unhappiness there is with this franchise. Corporations will still buy tickets, ad spots and handouts from sponsors to players (maybe part of the problem from a success on the ice standpoint?), expect a decrease in T.V ratings next year barring really dramatic changes.

- Leafs are going to have to get meaner. Plain and simple. Meaner, tougher, harder to play against. They need guys with the disposition of a Muzzin. They need guys who are willing to stand in front of the net, something we saw Simmonds and even Thornton do in the regular season, than they disappeared in the playoffs.

- Anyone watching Perry take hits in front of the net? Ironically he begged to be a Leaf, we made theoretically the better choice with Simmonds, but Perry showed his value in the post-season, others did not. We need that.

- Pick up big backend D men and if possible, resign Bogosian (which seems less likely for some reason) and Galchenyuk. Get a guy with a point shot if possible for the PP and nurture Sandin in sheltered, 3rd pair minutes and PP time. Pick up big, forechecking forwards designed for the playoffs. Hitting, wearing down the teams D, making it somewhat easier for our soft stars to perform in the playoffs, their DNA isn't going to change.

- I advise Leaf fans to watch the way Vegas forwards play. If Leafs brought that relentless drive to the puck and around the net, the Habs would have been lucky to win a game. They've grossly outplayed the Avs in the last three games and only a PP in O.T in game 3 prevented a 3-1 series lead for the Knights.

That is all, as you were.
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Larry is a smart dude like street smart .. he hears it from his reps .. he knows people will fork over for their tickets/licenses and he knows a lot of people are profiting from selling them to ticket brokers (even corporations) .. right now da after market is such that there are lots of people who are overpaying for tickets .. will this practice continue next year? .. will decision makers at da corporations continue with their sponsorships when they stop going to games themselves? .. with COVID and most of us well over 50 at games making these decisions it is another level to factor in .. bottom line if i was betting I would say larry will see a 3rd year of reduced revenues .. at some point da rubber hits da road and changes get made .. to me i would do it sooner than later .. as it is only delaying da inevitable to next year
 
I think if you get a chance to acquire Eichel, you do it at whatever cost, not named matthews. Of course you need your doctor's to make sure he can make a full recovery.

There are rumors of course about his attitude ...but at any job it gets super stressful when your not successful or have a poor management in place. I wouldn't say Marner has been especially amazing to deal with and he's been on a great team mostly.
 
ottomaddox said:
Why do leaf fans want Eichel? A 3rd franchise center to play 14 min a night on the 3rd line is what this team needs?

This seems like video game trade talk to me.
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If we trade one of our star players , we don't need another star player with a high cap hit .
We need a team built around those other players .

Cizikas Clutterbuck Martin
Cap hit 8.5 mil

Rathere these players than Eichel

Sign Hyman and Coleman

What a TEAM we would have .

It's a dream
 
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TBH at this point I'd take some special teams coaches who can actually put all our talent to good use, the leafs should have a top 5 PP every damn year
 
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