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Telos said:
As Kings fans, we should also try not to sensationalize losing streaks. No he isn't the same player he was when he was 24, but I've only been talking about the Richards that has been on this team for the past year. The one who was great for us on our last playoff run, and who had a stellar start to the season and productive first half of the season this year. Having a bad third quarter doesn't warrant throwing him off the team and trying to replace him with Stoll.
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No one was good last year's playoffs.. We got dominated by every team we played, we got lucky they couldn't score on us.

Richards was playing with Carter that's why. Carter makes everyone around him get points. A losing streak? We are so close to being out of a spot? Why does this happen so often? I'd be less irritated if this wasn't a ****ing trend by this team, but man oh man, are you gonna tell me you'd rather trade Richards a year late than early? With that contract. You can't realistically expect him to get better at his age and his play. His game has changed so much. Trade an asset while it has good value, get the best return. His contract is pretty terrible. I don't care if the kings start winning without him, Richards is going to be an issue sooner rather than later.
 
What's bothering me the most isn't the lack of scoring, they are extremely ****ing boring to watch. It's like no one gives a damn.
 
Black1963 said:
I'm not even joking here, but we need to double shift King. Every line King has played on, that line has done well.

Look at Toffoli with King and now without for the past 15 games or so. Heck, look what he's done with Lewis for pete's sake.

King has been one consistent player in this rollercoaster year.
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I'm on board with your idea but I do it my own way. Rather than double-shift him, we should just get our other big players to play like him.
 
The number #1 thing that's missing is that natural LW, shoots left, that the team sorely needs right here, right now. The L.A. Kings organization has a surplus of RW's, to the point if I were Dean Lombardi, I'd offer a premium for Linden Vey, which obviously means that LW, shoots left.

There's no need to destroy chemistry, to the point you guys have been wanting to separate Mike Richards and Jeff Carter again. :shakehead

This is why I constantly advocate trading Willie Mitchell ad nauseum, especially when the team has a surplus of D-men. Really US$3.5M, expiring contract, and not to mention Manchester has the same depth of D-men. Seriously, 3.5 motherfnckiug million U.S. dollars salary space for the team that could potentially receive his expiring contract.

The fact that Darryl Sutter is forcing C's and RW's to play LW is backfiring very badly, as shown in this losing streak. But no, you guys are calling for ruining the team chemistry, to the point of forcing a rebuilding instead of going for a three-peat, when the LW position is what's missing, right here right now. :shakehead

Chemistry and the fact the L.A. Kings are sorely needing a natural LW are the very reasons why I dare suggest to bring up Gašper Kopitar all the way from the Reign, let alone bringing back Simon Gagné.

Why the call-up for the younger Kopitar all the way to The Big Show? Same reason why Philly has the Schenn Bros. concurrently is in their red line. Why Gagné? Dude can mentor younger players if Sutter still insisted on forcing C's and RW's to play LW, while won and lost game together with both Richards and Carter back in Philly and even won the Stanley Cup together in L.A. Besides, the fact that Dustin is L.A.'s team captain helps remove pressure on Mike, Jeff, and Simon. I personally care less if he "badmouths" the team as purportedly claimed, especially when he had nothing but nice things to say about the team. :shakehead In addition, I will not find it hard to believe if the Carcillo trade to NYR were just a disciplinary move directly aimed at Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.

If you guys are so hellbent on trading Mike Richards: Richards, Carter, player(s) to be named later for Hall, Eberle, and RNH

I much rather have the Los Angeles Kings pull off a three-peat starting right here, right now than turn into another team's NHL-level farm team, while keeping needs to be fulfilled via trading surpluses, chemistry, and the fire to win it all. Do I really need to remind you guys it took the Oilers 2 more years to win the Stanley Cup after Gretzky landed in L.A.? Let alone the fact that when L.A. broke up Gagné/Richards/Carter again, we easily lost to the Blackhawks? Even though I am suffering from a concurrent tip of the tongue phenomenon on which opponents the Kings faced while playing Carcillo/Richards/Carter line during this season alone, all I knew was that the Kings won and that's what matters the most, right here right now!

I swear, too many chefs cooking up too many red herrings.
 
I'm pretty sure we just need Heidi back in that locker room to get the guys going again.

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we need two LWs we have only one capable LW who can play on our top 9 (king). and for gods sake put brown back on the right side, ive never seen a more futile player in the offensive zone than brown. we need players playing their natural position. plain and simple.
 
Heidi Androl is old, Alex Curry is MUCH better.

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Anyways back on topic.

Trade Matt Fattin to the KHL for Alexander Frolov.
Trade Willie Mitchell and Coin Fraser to Philly for Braydon Coburn
Trade Tanner Pearson, 1st, Jake Muzzin to Toronto for Clarke MaCarthur, Cody Franson
Call up Linden Vey.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
MaCarthur-Richards-Carter
Frolov-Stoll-Toffoli
King-Vey-Nolan/Cliffy/Lewis

Coburn-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
Greene-Franson
 
KingsHockey24 said:
Heidi Androl is old, Alex Curry is MUCH better.

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Anyways back on topic.

Trade Matt Fattin to the KHL for Alexander Frolov.
Trade Willie Mitchell and Coin Fraser to Philly for Braydon Coburn
Trade Tanner Pearson, 1st, Jake Muzzin to Toronto for Clarke MaCarthur, Cody Franson
Call up Linden Vey.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
MaCarthur-Richards-Carter
Frolov-Stoll-Toffoli
King-Vey-Nolan/Cliffy/Lewis

Coburn-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
Greene-Franson
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1. Experienced women are always fun for a good time:naughty:

2. Why would Philly do this? Have you watched their games this year, Coburn has been one of their best d-men all year. They don't want our junk (Fraser) and an old d-man who is an FA at season's end at the tail end of his career.

3. You do know that MacArthur plays for the Sens, right?

Back to the drawing board or NHL 2014, which ever you prefer.
 
Didn't see last night's game but do know that you won't win many scoring one goal a game. Unfortunately, although Mike Richards seems to be the past few months' lightning rod for all that ails the Kings, the reality is that his apparent poor play is indicative of just about very player on the team except maybe Quick and Carter who I hope continues his scoring streak (he can be very streaky and God help him if he goes cold). No,my honest sense is that their lack of offence relates to how they're coached and maybe they need to be coached this way because, except for a few, that's their talent level. Seems to me the same issues were apparent shortly before Terry Murray was let go, Sutter was brought in and he changed the culture, perhaps not the overall system, but certainly the culture. Picking up Jeff Carter likely didn't hurt either

My point being, if the team needs an overall change in direction, then replace Sutter with some-one like John Stevens. And no, although some may wish it, Mike Richards is not the worst defensive player on the Kings. And yes, put him on the market; there's 28 (I exclude the Flyers) other teams which would love having Richards on their roster.
 
Black1963 said:
I'm not even joking here, but we need to double shift King. Every line King has played on, that line has done well.

Look at Toffoli with King and now without for the past 15 games or so. Heck, look what he's done with Lewis for pete's sake.

King has been one consistent player in this rollercoaster year.
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to burn him out so he can leave and become another Moulsen somewhere else?

King is one of the few untouchables on this team right now.
 
Reclamation Project said:
I'll start with Stoll, Regehr, Clifford, and Muzzin.

Muzzin and Stoll to Edmonton.
Regehr to the Flyers.
Clifford to Montreal.

Pearson and a 1st to Buffalo for Matt Moulson.

Then I would fire Davis Payne and bring in anyone. The message isn't getting through.

That would be done in less than 30 minutes. What else?

Continue...
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Yell at Crabtree again? :sarcasm:
 
I'm really not concerned.

Its January, when have we not sucked in January?

It'll turn around.
 
I'd like to see a Palffy-like deal that shakes up the West. Somebody that can get the fans out of their seat with their talent and can take over games.
 
moosehead81 said:
My point being, if the team needs an overall change in direction, then replace Sutter with some-one like John Stevens. And no, although some may wish it, Mike Richards is not the worst defensive player on the Kings. And yes, put him on the market; there's 28 (I exclude the Flyers) other teams which would love having Richards on their roster.
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Awesome! I hope that's true. The Leafs are dangling Kadri, apparently.
Would they take Richards?

Richards + Frattin + Muzzin for Kadri + Raymond + Gardiner
 
moosehead81 said:
No,my honest sense is that their lack of offence relates to how they're coached and maybe they need to be coached this way because, except for a few, that's their talent level.
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The Kings were 10th overall in goals per game last year. It wasn't all because Carter had a bunch of goals. Brown had 18 last year, which was a 30+ goal pace, and he was playing LW the whole time.

These are the differences between last year's goal per game average and this year's so far for each guy:

King - .085, .212, +.127
Greene - .000, .080, +.080
Toffoli - .200, .273, +.073
Nolan - .045, .116, +.071
Martinez - .037, .105, +.068
Kopitar - .213, .269, +.056
Williams - .229, .269, +.040
Mitchell - .000, .021, +.021
Regehr - .000, .019, +.019
Doughty - .125, .135, +.010

Stoll - .146, .125, -.021
Lewis - .104, .047, -.057
Fraser - .059, .000, -.059
Carter - .542, .476, -.066
Voynov - .125, .058, -.067
Clifford - .146, .071, -.075
Muzzin - .156, .064, -.092
Richards - .250, .135, -.115
Brown - .391, .196, -.195

Some of those players you can take out, like Greene, Mitchell, and Regehr. Whatever goals they score is just a plus. Carter gets a pass, since he's far and away the best goal scorer on the team.

The difference between Brown last year and this year is coaching? The same coaches, using the same system, have coached what amounts to(.195 x 82 games) 16 goals out of Brown? In one year? Even if you take a more realistic number like 25 goals for Brown rather than 30+, he's still off even that number by almost 10 goals. 9 goals out of Richards? A combined 13 potential goals out of Voynov and Muzzin?

Whatever the coaches have done for King from last year to this year, they're doing the exact opposite for Brown?

I think it's more that there are some players that aren't carrying their weight this year for whatever reasons than a coaching issue. For example, I can't imagine any coach, no matter how defensively minded, would ever say don't move your feet on a PP. The only thing every coach says is move your feet. Nobody ever says just stand there.
 
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