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Winger23 said:
What's bothering me the most isn't the lack of scoring, they are extremely ****ing boring to watch. It's like no one gives a damn.
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New Jersey was like that when they were good a few years ago. Won a lot of 2-1, 3-2 games. Seems like this team is built a lot like those teams in the era of the Neutral Zone trap teams. Boring as F..., but somewhat effective.

They have got to change up the PP and get Voynov more involved in the offense. Dude doesn't have a PP goal this season and he's the best one on the team at shooting off the pass. Maybe they're over thinking the room. Dumb it down, back to basics.

Put DK on the PP and stick that big body right in front of the goalie. DK, not a single PP goal. Brown has 1, he's obviously not in front of the net, let him watch the PP a few games.
 
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Herby said:
You are really stuck on 2012. You know times change. You know 3 of the 4 conference finalists are currently out of the playoffs this year.

Do you think Dustin Brown, Mike Richards, Anze Kopitar, Willie Mitchell, Justin Williams, Matt Greene are the same players they were two years ago? Penner and Scuderi are gone and haven't replaced what they did in that run.

How long will you cling to 2012?
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You are acting like 2012 is a long time ago. It's 2 years, Herby. 2 lousy years.

Yeah, 3 out of 4, but you fail to mention what the one remaining team is. Why is that? Because it doesn't support your argument?

You also fail to mention the awesome youth that has basically replaced those guys that are gone. Sure, Brown and Richards are having down years, but Williams was on fire before his recent slump and as I said before its January, so time for Kopitar's annual slump.

These guys will be just fine.

Now, instead of complaining Herby, maybe you should provide some solutions. Given the cap threshold limitations and the inability to find even a mediocre player in the trade market this year, just what the **** would you do to make things better?!
 
ibleedkings said:
Until Dean and Sutter lose their hardon for grinders, nothing will change.

Hell Crosby would have issues putting up 80pts in this system.
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Crosby would put up 80pts no matter what system he played in. He's too good not to. Dean and Sutter realize that a team has to have a balance between skilled players and grinders. I think you have to think about all the players on the team who aren't grinders.

IMHO, the team is just lacking the final piece that brings everything together. As much as Penner was underachieving with us, what he did last night is exactly the reason I'd still like to see him on this team. The line with Richards, Carter and Penner would work well and then Kopi could be back with Williams and Brown. I would rather see Vey on the third line with Toffoli and King. Then put your Nolan/Lewis/Clifford etc.. on the fourth line. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I know Penner is not here, but we need another LW who can complete that line. Frattin ain't the answer.
 
Despite co-leading the team in points with Kopitar on December 11th (32 games into the season) and having 5 points in his last 4 games (including assists on 2 Carter goals), Mike Richards is considered to be having an off-year overall by many on this board.

Here are some facts:
Coming into this season, he had scored 76 points in 122 regular season games for the Kings (51 point pace for 82 games) averaging 20 goals per season and was a minus-5 overall in +/-.

This season Richards has 35 points in 52 games (55 point pace for 82) is on an 11 goal pace (substantial drop) but is an even +/-. Now some of you may have higher expectations of a guy who's making almost $6M/yr and that may be fair criticism although I submit that playing defensive-minded hockey in L.A. vs. Being the captain of a run & gun team in Philly, where he signed that contract, are two different things. Also, if anyone's paying attention to what Wayne Simmonds has done lately, it may be skewing your emotions a bit as well.

But here's something to keep in mind. Since coming to the Kings on Feb 23, 2012 and up until the start of the '13-'14 season, Jeff Carter has been involved with Mike Richards in 51.4% of Richards' points (either by assisting a Carter goal, co-assisting on someone else's goal or scoring a goal from a Carter assist) including playoffs. This season, Carter's been involved in just 31.4% of Richard's points (11 of 35) yet clearly, Richards is on his usual point pace even if his goal total is lagging.

Oh, I've heard the arguments...But they're awful defensively together. First of all if Richards was so bad defensively why is he one of the team's lead PKers on the 5th best PK in hockey. Carter isn't a poor defensive player at all (The Kings really don't have poor defensive players...well, I'm not a Muzzin fan but that's another thread for another time). Secondly, even if they are a sieve defensively, what does that mean? They'll give up .25 G/G more than they might if they weren't together? Great, they'd go from the #1 defensive team in hockey to the #4 team. Meanwhile, they'd probably go from being the #24 offensive team in the league to the #16 team in the process which is all they'd need.

You want more from Richards (and who wouldn't? Even Richards would, especially on this offensive "juggernaut".) I think the answer is clear, I just don't know that it's clear to the farmer running this team.
 
Bring up Vey. Reunite the 23-11-14 line and ride it into the effing ground before going away from it again. If there aren't going to be trades, then please inject offensive talent in the lineup via what we have: the kids.

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Vey is listed as a natural RW. Everyone other center gets moved to the wing at some point on this team so give Vey a shot at RW with--comments from this thread aside--a good player.

If you wanted to put Toffoli with Richards instead of Vey and let Vey play with Carter, I'd be fine with that as well. I'm tired of the "Toffoli didn't score for x amount of games" garbage since there are a lot of guys on this team that don't score and don't come close to his GPG average. 2nd best shot on the team and an offensive mind yet he isn't playing.

You need to play these kids and put them in a position to succeed.

As for the high-paid guys, it's still up to the best players on this team to show up so just put that top line back together because, no offense to Lewis or Frattin et al, but Brown at his current worst is pretty much just as good offensively as these guys Sutter is putting in the Top 6. If they don't all pick it up then none of this matters but I feel you need to ice your most talented line-up and hope the kids can help provide secondary scoring when (if?) the big dogs wake up.
 
BigKing said:
Bring up Vey. Reunite the 23-11-14 line and ride it into the effing ground before going away from it again. If there aren't going to be trades, then please inject offensive talent in the lineup via what we have: the kids.

23-11-14
74-77-73
blah-10-57
whatevs-28-22

Vey is listed as a natural RW. Everyone other center gets moved to the wing at some point on this team so give Vey a shot at RW with--comments from this thread aside--a good player.

If you wanted to put Toffoli with Richards instead of Vey and let Vey play with Carter, I'd be fine with that as well. I'm tired of the "Toffoli didn't score for x amount of games" garbage since there are a lot of guys on this team that don't score and don't come close to his GPG average. 2nd best shot on the team and an offensive mind yet he isn't playing.

You need to play these kids and put them in a position to succeed.

As for the high-paid guys, it's still up to the best players on this team to show up so just put that top line back together because, no offense to Lewis or Frattin et al, but Brown at his current worst is pretty much just as good offensively as these guys Sutter is putting in the Top 6. If they don't all pick it up then none of this matters but I feel you need to ice your most talented line-up and hope the kids can help provide secondary scoring when (if?) the big dogs wake up.
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I'm down with reuniting the Kopitar line of Brown/Williams, but I think line 2 needs to be King/Richie/Carter. Third line I would make ?/Vey/Toffoli.
 
bmr said:
I'm down with reuniting the Kopitar line of Brown/Williams, but I think line 2 needs to be King/Richie/Carter. Third line I would make ?/Vey/Toffoli.
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I like those top 2 lines. Not sure about the 3rd as it is typically a shut down type line that needs to be put out against teams top lines in Defensive zones.
 
Ron said:
You know who.

The same guys who couldn't drive a puck into the Pacific Ocean in 2011-12, who were scoring at a more pitiful pace then they are right now, who caught on fire in the last 21 games of the season and continued on for 20 more games in the playoffs, scoring at a pace of over 3 goals a game while continuing the same stingy defense they are playing right now.

Those guys.
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This ^^^^^. I think I read all these same post in 2012. They are in a slump but all will be fine and we will climb out of this funk. Calm down and please don't jump off the bridge if you haven't already.
 
The only shake up this team needs is a couple weeks off and a top level shut down D. who's already been through the playoff wars.
 
My vote for major change is ban Reclamation Project. His scum avatar is affecting the Kings.
 
cnshockey said:
My vote for major change is ban Reclamation Project. His scum avatar is affecting the Kings.
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According to LeBrun, the Caps have entertained the thought of moving Mike Green and are seeking a big, stay-at-home dman. Greene and other assets for Mike Green would make a lot of sense and could help the Kings' PP by adding a true QB on the point.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
According to LeBrun, the Caps have entertained the thought of moving Mike Green and are seeking a big, stay-at-home dman. Greene and other assets for Mike Green would make a lot of sense and could help the Kings' PP by adding a true QB on the point.
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Oh man. That would be such a huge addition.
 
Face Wash said:
Despite co-leading the team in points with Kopitar on December 11th (32 games into the season) and having 5 points in his last 4 games (including assists on 2 Carter goals), Mike Richards is considered to be having an off-year overall by many on this board.

Here are some facts:
Coming into this season, he had scored 76 points in 122 regular season games for the Kings (51 point pace for 82 games) averaging 20 goals per season and was a minus-5 overall in +/-.

This season Richards has 35 points in 52 games (55 point pace for 82) is on an 11 goal pace (substantial drop) but is an even +/-. Now some of you may have higher expectations of a guy who's making almost $6M/yr and that may be fair criticism although I submit that playing defensive-minded hockey in L.A. vs. Being the captain of a run & gun team in Philly, where he signed that contract, are two different things. Also, if anyone's paying attention to what Wayne Simmonds has done lately, it may be skewing your emotions a bit as well.

But here's something to keep in mind. Since coming to the Kings on Feb 23, 2012 and up until the start of the '13-'14 season, Jeff Carter has been involved with Mike Richards in 51.4% of Richards' points (either by assisting a Carter goal, co-assisting on someone else's goal or scoring a goal from a Carter assist) including playoffs. This season, Carter's been involved in just 31.4% of Richard's points (11 of 35) yet clearly, Richards is on his usual point pace even if his goal total is lagging.

Oh, I've heard the arguments...But they're awful defensively together. First of all if Richards was so bad defensively why is he one of the team's lead PKers on the 5th best PK in hockey. Carter isn't a poor defensive player at all (The Kings really don't have poor defensive players...well, I'm not a Muzzin fan but that's another thread for another time). Secondly, even if they are a sieve defensively, what does that mean? They'll give up .25 G/G more than they might if they weren't together? Great, they'd go from the #1 defensive team in hockey to the #4 team. Meanwhile, they'd probably go from being the #24 offensive team in the league to the #16 team in the process which is all they'd need.

You want more from Richards (and who wouldn't? Even Richards would, especially on this offensive "juggernaut".) I think the answer is clear, I just don't know that it's clear to the farmer running this team.
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Thank you for this- for some reason, as I've said before, Richards seems to be the lightning rod although the statistics seem to point out that's there's really been no change in his game. Yeah, he'd like to be better, I'm sure, but somehow a number of other major components of this team are also not performing as the fans (and team administration) expect but, for some reason, they escape the heavy criticism. I'm not sure what some fans were expecting when Richards was traded from Philadelphia but LA is definitely not the up-tempo, offensively minded team that he came from. I expect that there's a whole number of offensive, high scoring players in the league who would not manage the same numbers in Sutter's system, whatever that is. But again, maybe the system is geared to the players put in by management, a bunch of heavy muckers and grinders with, in the majority, not a number of great skaters or skilled puck handlers.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
According to LeBrun, the Caps have entertained the thought of moving Mike Green and are seeking a big, stay-at-home dman. Greene and other assets for Mike Green would make a lot of sense and could help the Kings' PP by adding a true QB on the point.
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Would have worked if Greene wasn't so injury riddled and out indefinitely with a concussion at the moment.

Face Wash said:
Despite co-leading the team in points with Kopitar on December 11th (32 games into the season) and having 5 points in his last 4 games (including assists on 2 Carter goals), Mike Richards is considered to be having an off-year overall by many on this board.

Here are some facts:
Coming into this season, he had scored 76 points in 122 regular season games for the Kings (51 point pace for 82 games) averaging 20 goals per season and was a minus-5 overall in +/-.

This season Richards has 35 points in 52 games (55 point pace for 82) is on an 11 goal pace (substantial drop) but is an even +/-. Now some of you may have higher expectations of a guy who's making almost $6M/yr and that may be fair criticism although I submit that playing defensive-minded hockey in L.A. vs. Being the captain of a run & gun team in Philly, where he signed that contract, are two different things. Also, if anyone's paying attention to what Wayne Simmonds has done lately, it may be skewing your emotions a bit as well.

But here's something to keep in mind. Since coming to the Kings on Feb 23, 2012 and up until the start of the '13-'14 season, Jeff Carter has been involved with Mike Richards in 51.4% of Richards' points (either by assisting a Carter goal, co-assisting on someone else's goal or scoring a goal from a Carter assist) including playoffs. This season, Carter's been involved in just 31.4% of Richard's points (11 of 35) yet clearly, Richards is on his usual point pace even if his goal total is lagging.

Oh, I've heard the arguments...But they're awful defensively together. First of all if Richards was so bad defensively why is he one of the team's lead PKers on the 5th best PK in hockey. Carter isn't a poor defensive player at all (The Kings really don't have poor defensive players...well, I'm not a Muzzin fan but that's another thread for another time). Secondly, even if they are a sieve defensively, what does that mean? They'll give up .25 G/G more than they might if they weren't together? Great, they'd go from the #1 defensive team in hockey to the #4 team. Meanwhile, they'd probably go from being the #24 offensive team in the league to the #16 team in the process which is all they'd need.

You want more from Richards (and who wouldn't? Even Richards would, especially on this offensive "juggernaut".) I think the answer is clear, I just don't know that it's clear to the farmer running this team.
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Thank you for making the post I was too lazy to make :handclap:
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
According to LeBrun, the Caps have entertained the thought of moving Mike Green and are seeking a big, stay-at-home dman. Greene and other assets for Mike Green would make a lot of sense and could help the Kings' PP by adding a true QB on the point.
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A premier PP QB would take a ton of heat off of Doughty, who doesn't have the cannon to get shots through. It seems to be the position King fans forget about, yah Doughty is great but for a defense first team that is brutal on the PP if you were to have a MacInnis-Pronger combo back there on D the Kings would be deadly. It also pushes talent down to the 2nd PP unit which should increase numbers. Big Buff would also be interesting, basically anybody with a big shot from the point would really help the Kings out. You can only do the fake shot, head fake, shoot and have it blocked because the lane is closed thing so many times. How about adding somebody who can fire it through when the puck hits their stick?
 
Jesus, Mike Green on the PP would be fantastic.

Honestly it's tough to say what's up when the team just looks gassed/devoid of emotion. We've been a fantastic first period team in terms of possession and sometimes getting leads (maybe not lately) but it just looks like everyone dies by the 2nd period. Is that the travel finally catching up maybe? Did the Sutter-coached CGY teams have the same issue? Because honestly, that is new this year.

We're not getting reads on "true" abilities when just about everyone is slumping at once. We're going to ride the core of this team for better or for worse so get ready for a few more ugly games going into the break. I'm sure after the Olympics when the hockey is even more meaningful and we're going down the stretch drive into the playoffs we'll see some emotion/heart again.
 
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