Post-Game Talk: Machinehead vs Ice Cream Girl

[Synergy27]

Trotz isn’t even the coach. Brunette was with the Devils who were pretty high flying. I don’t think Nashville played a particularly boring or defensive game either. I think we just genuinely actually suck. A lot. Our team speed and the country club brain infection that makes everyone feel comfortable and complacent means we can make the playoffs non-stop but we will never, ever have what it takes.

Yeah, true, but that team has the Trotz philosophy pumping through its veins. So many blocked shots. No room anywhere.

And yes those things are exacerbated by the weaknesses of our team.

 

[LokiDog]

Your body won't be able to tell the difference. Both are equally as edible.

Actually I think the wrapper digests eventually.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

It isn’t the kids fault that they suck.

It isn’t their fault that we lost.

It is still related - the plans changed with those two lottery wins because things were expected of the players we got with those picks.

The salary isn’t the same, but it’s like signing a guy to 8x8 after a career year in a contract year and then he never produces 70% of what he gave in that contract year. The kids aren’t even producing 70% of what the expectations were for their rookie/sophomore years, let alone what they’d be in years 4/5.

It isn’t their fault. They didn’t cause the loss.

They’re just inherently a part of the massive problems with the team because of the fact that they do suck.

And they DO suck. I know you’re about to respond with some thread of logic that defends them based on age, minutes, usage, PP time, linemates, EV production or the position of the zodiac on the days they were drafted but… it’s really pushing beyond time to admit that they just genuinely suck ass for 1/2 picks. Oh well.

Yea I'm going to respond with logic. Correct. Usage and ice time matter.

The kids "suck" because they were bred to suck. They weren't developed correctly and that's 100% on the Rangers.

If that's what they wanted, they got it. Want to ride the vets, fine. Distribute the ice time correctly. On no planet or alternate reality is Trocheck a player that warrants 20+ minutes of ice time. This team isn't scoring goals and we wonder why?

It would help if Zibanejad and Kreider gave two shits, but Trocheck leading the forward Corp in ice time is beyond idiotic.

 

[bl02]

I don't know if Kakko's slow, methodical puck-lugging and protecting it until a play manifests is the way Zib and Kreider play.

Yep. It seems like he doesn't fit well anywhere. At least the kid line could cycle the puck and show some creativity. It's frustrating for the most part they looked lost when it comes close to scoring when they are paired with the vets

 

[will1066]

Trocheck is *good not 20+ minutes good. He's not an elite player. He's not a player that should be leading any forward group in ice time. He's playing more than Zib, Kreids, and Panarin for crying out loud. This team is going nowhere this way.

The team has scored 3 goals in the last 2 games. 2 of them belong to Trocheck.

Yea I'm going to respond with logic. Correct. Usage and ice time matter.

The kids "suck" because they were bred to suck. They weren't developed correctly and that's 100% on the Rangers.

If that's what they wanted, they got it. Want to ride the vets, fine. Distribute the ice time correctly. On no planet or alternate reality is Trocheck a player that warrants 20+ minutes of ice time. This team isn't scoring goals and we wonder why?

It would help if Zibanejad and Kreider gave two shits, but Trocheck leading the forward Corp in ice time is beyond idiotic.

You say they were bred to suck. Which I could agree with.

Then you say it's Trocheck's fault for taking away their ice time.

Pick one.

 

[LokiDog]

Yea I'm going to respond with logic. Correct. Usage and ice time matter.

The kids "suck" because they were bred to suck. They weren't developed correctly and that's 100% on the Rangers.

If that's what they wanted, they got it. Want to ride the vets, fine. Distribute the ice time correctly. On no planet or alternate reality is Trocheck a player that warrants 20+ minutes of ice time. This team isn't scoring goals and we wonder why?

It would help if Zibanejad and Kreider gave two shits, but Trocheck leading the forward Corp in ice time is beyond idiotic.

No, the kids suck because they suck. No team was going to ruin Crosby, Malkin, Eichel, McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Hughes, Dahlin, etc. no matter what they did. It may have taken them longer but their skill would eventually just win out. It’s 4 and 5 and 6 years in for our kids. They suck. Stop with the excuses. Their usage is DUE to their suckage. Pretending that their suckage is due to their usage is honestly a corruption of realistic and levelheaded fandom.

 

[Tob]

Jimmy Dolan needs to start using his wealth and connection to find a music label company that's willing to sign Chudinejad to a $50M deal to get him to retire in a few years otherwise it's going to be uglier than Stepan's end of career contract.

 

[effen]

What is the it's not their fault they suck? They skate like theyre 45 coming off sciatica.

It is exactly their fault they suck. Hustle takes no talent, just effort, and that makes them Le Tired.

 

[Kovalev27]

Cuylle Trocheck Kakko. That’s where he fits best. He can score 40 pts there and be a solid solid part of a real match up checking line.

But play fast with Mika and Kreider? No way. He is role right now is to chip pucks out and watch those two go if he’s lucky.

Laf at least can skate with Panarin and chytil and make a play finish a tap in. Kakko made this a layup for Drury to sign Kane.

 

[Machinehead]

It's not the coaching. Gallant got them to play decent enough defense by today's standards of a much higher scoring league.

So will Laviolette who seems to realize even more than Gallant that this is a big, slow, lumbering team that needs to chuck from the point and hope for deflections. Teams have won doing that.

The weakness is the offense. It's a weakness because the players they have aren't very good. Zibanejad is a very good but not great center, Kreider is an elite grinder, and then there's Panarin who's going to be annoying because his skill is on an island on this team and he's passing to ghosts half the time. Everyone else is a guy.

"Best Rangers roster in my life!!" Where tho?

Like, I'm not trying to cause a panic. They'll win some games doing their 2-1 thing. It has worked. I'm just saying, it's pretty obvious.

 

[Kords]

The team has scored 3 goals in the last 2 games. 2 of them belong to Trocheck.



You say they were bred to suck. Which I could agree with.

Then you say it's Trocheck's fault for taking away their ice time.

Pick one.

And the other was a bad pass that accidentally bounced off the defender. On a 5v3.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I mean, yeah, that's probably a point worth exploring but Lafreniere is not 13+ minutes good. He's getting the ice time he should.

The kids just aren't particularly good players in the NHL. It's over. This is the players they are.

They could have been special but the Rangers made them this way. They decided from the start that they didn't have the time or patience to develop them the way other teams do with their versions of those players.

Now they're married to Trocheck getting 20+ minutes because they completely junked their 1 and 2 overall layup potential superstar players. They turned them into junk. By design.

I don't see a way this team gets better. I really don't. Othmann won't be a savior. I have no faith they'll do Perreault any justice when/if he arrives.

 

[NYROrtsFan]

Beyond frustrating that some people around here thinks the kids are being held back in some way. Open your eyes.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Lav needs to Patton up here

 

[GENESISPuck94]

It's not the coaching. Gallant got them to play decent enough defense by today's standards of a much higher scoring league.

So will Laviolette who seems to realize even more than Gallant that this is a big, slow, lumbering team that needs to chuck from the point and hope for deflections. Teams have won doing that.

The weakness is the offense. It's a weakness because the players they have aren't very good. Zibanejad is a very good but not great center, Kreider is an elite grinder, and then there's Panarin who's going to be annoying because his skill is on an island on this team and he's passing to ghosts half the time. Everyone else is a guy.

"Best Rangers roster in my life!!" Where tho?

Like, I'm not trying to cause a panic. They'll win some games doing their 2-1 thing. It has worked. I'm just saying, it's pretty obvious.

Gallant was definitely a huge problem but agree 100% it's the players. The core is rotten. This group will never win. They need to cut bait and start over. The sooner the better.

 

[will1066]

And the other was a bad pass that accidentally bounced off the defender. On a 5v3.

I'll even argue that Trocheck played a role in that goal. He had his stick down on the ice at the opposite post for Fox to aim at.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I really just don’t think that this group has anything better ahead. The ECF was the peak of the mountain. The guys who were true impact players are only older, the kids haven’t taken a single meaningful step, the same warts exist and are actually only worse because with age we get slower. We just suck. We might be the actual most overrated team in the entire league.

You have one truly elite player at forward in Panarin who is now 32 and leaving his prime, an overrated #1 who is also now in his 30s, Kreider who is a great play driver but no longer has the speed he used to and has transformed his game to be more of a deflection artist/net front presence. And then a bunch of kids who are nothing special and old slow washed up veterans. There’s only so much a coach can do. That And the lack of speed are a killer because they can’t even play a heavy forecheck and cycle game.

 

[effen]

They could have been special but the Rangers made them this way. They decided from the start that they didn't have the time or patience to develop them the way other teams do with their versions of those players.

Now they're married to Trocheck getting 20+ minutes because they completely junked their 1 and 2 overall layup potential superstar players. They turned them into junk. By design.

I don't see a way this team gets better. I really don't. Othmann won't be a savior. I have no faith they'll do Perreault any justice when/if he arrives.

They were never going to be special because they're both lumbering and passive at the same time. They were not bred that way. That's how they are. That is their playstyle as functioning adults with all their faculties.

Stop infantalizing millionaires.

 

[CasusBelli]

It’s only 4 games in, so I won’t get crazy, but I just hate the makeup of this team.

Soft perimeter team that just gives up when the chips are down.

It’s a mix of players, not a team. Mika and Kreider are a great duo. All I see is an amazing duo, a world class playmaker who plays when he feels like it, a top-tier defensive forward and an inconsistent but often brilliant goalie. I don’t see the glue. I see some plugs and good pieces. But I don’t see a unified product.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

They were never going to be special because they're both lumbering and passive at the same time. They were not bred that way. That's how they are. That is their playstyle as functioning adults with all their faculties.

Stop infantalizing millionaires.

BINGO!

At some point, the onus falls on the players to show that they deserve more minutes.

Being pathetic and "young" doesn't cut the mustard.

 

[mike14]

They could have been special but the Rangers made them this way. They decided from the start that they didn't have the time or patience to develop them the way other teams do with their versions of those players.

Then where are the call-outs to the press, where are the trade demands, or the contract hold-outs? What the hell are their agents doing?
These two have already left millions on the table, and it doesn't look like their next contracts will be anything special. With it all being the fault of the Rangers they, are just sitting their and coping it with nary a word?
Very weird strategy

 

[will1066]

You have one truly elite player at forward in Panarin who is now 32 and leaving his prime, an overrated #1 who is also now in his 30s, Kreider who is a great play driver but no longer has the speed he used to and has transformed his game to be more of a deflection artist/net front presence. And then a bunch of kids who are nothing special and old slow washed up veterans. There’s only so much a coach can do. That And the lack of speed are a killer because they can’t even play a heavy forecheck and cycle game.

And I'll just add that the core players are not heavy forecheck/cycle players to begin with.

 

[Synergy27]

We don’t give Kakko enough shit. We rip Lafreniere all day long, but Kakko is simply not getting it done either. There was a point at which he was generating chances regularly and getting robbed, but he doesn’t even do that anymore.

Also, go back and watch his World Championship highlights. That tournament was the peak of his career and he really didn’t do anything special. He scored a pretty nice breakaway goal where he ended up falling down on himself and another weird fluttering slapshot from the top of the circle. Terrible goaltending in a mid tournament elevated expectations for the guy.

 

[will1066]

They were never going to be special because they're both lumbering and passive at the same time. They were not bred that way. That's how they are. That is their playstyle as functioning adults with all their faculties.

Stop infantalizing millionaires.

Like I said elsewhere, and what @LokiDog mentioned, the thinking was that the offense was going to flow out of them innately, so the previous coaching staffs focused them to work on their defensive side of the puck, so that they would end up being complete 2-way players. It wasn't "breeding" or "by design" to stifle them, which seriously is way out there in left field. To purposely destroy your draft picks?

 

[Profet]

I'll make one simple statement:

I don't want a team built around Laf and/or Kakko.