LW Taylor Hall (2010, 1st overall, EDM)

[19Yzerman19]

Joe Murphy

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

Zarley Zalapski and that's pushing it.

 

[SnipShow]

Seguin and Hall will be both great players in the NHL, that being said i'm going to call it now and see how my prediciton turns out years down the road...

Tyler Seguin will be the better player down the road his potential and skill set are on a higher level than Hall in my eyes. The way Seguin can read the play and create offense with his vision and not just his skills is tremendous...

Sure Hall can fly and has amazing speed and a good shot, but in the NHL theres a big difference in how to beat NHL defenseman, Hall won't be able to just fly past the D-man and create offense all the time, Seguin has a much better Hockey IQ and vison along with great speed and hands.. Seguin can beat you in so many different ways offensivley..

Watching almost every single Whalers game along with alot of Spits games I can say that if Seguin had some linemates that could bury the puck or set him up, his numbers would of been insane, I couldn't count how many times someone missed the backdoor pass from Seguin etc.

People who are on Seguin about not PKing didn't watch many Plymouth games, it had nothing to do with his defensive abilities, it was just that almost no one could produce offensively besides him so it would have been a waste to use him so he would be gassed when it became 5 on 5.Plymouth already had a good PK and used some of their players with less ice time. When the game was on the line and the Whalers needed a defensive stop Seguin was alaways outthere and making a difference.

Both are great Players but my edge goes to Seguin, there is a reason he was slotted #1 and OHL MVP, without him the Whales would of been at the bottom, without Hall in the lineup the spits still would of been a powerhouse with all their talent. the % of offense Seguin was in on for the Whalers is much higher than Halls, people are saying Hall would of put up insane numbers if he was on Plymouth but their not looking at it the other way. Can you imagine Seguin on a team that scores way more goals a game and Seguin on a team that has much more talent and players to setup,when he was on Plymouth thats all teams had to focus on, I couldn't imagine if he was on the Spits with some space and freedom from being shadowed.

 

[vwg*]

What? Yeah, Duchene had one more point on a playoff team, yay that really proves something.

Did you even read my post? First off, I wasn't even arguing that Duchene had a better year because he outpointed Tavares (to be honest, I didn't even know Duchene outscored Tavares). Just from watching the games you could tell Duchene was/is a much better two way player.. It's also not like Duchene was leaching his way onto a playoff team. He was actually a fairly large part of the Avs push down the stretch.

I don't evaluate player's seasons by their point totals either, so I'm not sure where this criticism of my post comes from.

 

[AUAIOMRN]

He did put him that category or else why did he mention those players at all? He did NOT say Seguin was crap like Ninniimkai, or Pouliot. He DID indicate that picking Seguin was going to be based on future potential and certainly by the tone and players he mentioned dubious future potential. The gist of the post was pretty clear the way it was worded. Hall = great player now, Seguin = maybe a great player in the future and in my mind that just doesn't wash. They are 1 and 1A a couple of the closer choices in recent draft history.

There is zero problem having the opinion that Hall is and should be the pick but to say that Seguin is just a projection pick is flat out wrong in my opinion.

Bugg is one of the more respected forum members of that there is no doubt but in this case, as I said before he either worded his intent wrong or in my opinion is just flat out wrong.

He didn't say Seguin wasn't a great player now or later. He said Hall was a better player now, and to pick Seguin would be projecting that he would be better than Hall later. Just because the difference between Hall/Seguin won't be as much as Parise/Pouliot, it doesn't mean that the train of thought that leads to their selections is different. And Seguin COULD be better than Hall - his point was that the Oilers have been burned by "could bes" in the past.

Sure Hall can fly and has amazing speed and a good shot, but in the NHL theres a big difference in how to beat NHL defenseman, Hall won't be able to just fly past the D-man and create offense all the time, Seguin has a much better Hockey IQ and vison along with great speed and hands.. Seguin can beat you in so many different ways offensivley..

I don't suppose you (or anyone) can point to some videos that show some of these "Hockey IQ" plays? I think "Hockey IQ" is the source of all true playmaking so I would love to see what he can do.

People who are on Seguin about not PKing didn't watch many Plymouth games, it had nothing to do with his defensive abilities, it was just that almost no one could produce offensively besides him so it would have been a waste to use him so he would be gassed when it became 5 on 5.Plymouth already had a good PK and used some of their players with less ice time. When the game was on the line and the Whalers needed a defensive stop Seguin was alaways outthere and making a difference.

Penalty killing wasn't brought up to imply that Hall was better defensively than Seguin. It was brought in regards to their offensive output. The time Hall spends PKing is not time that will help him get points, thus reducing his output from what it could have been had he not killed penalties.

the % of offense Seguin was in on for the Whalers is much higher than Halls, people are saying Hall would of put up insane numbers if he was on Plymouth but their not looking at it the other way. Can you imagine Seguin on a team that scores way more goals a game and Seguin on a team that has much more talent and players to setup,when he was on Plymouth thats all teams had to focus on, I couldn't imagine if he was on the Spits with some space and freedom from being shadowed.

I find that on good teams it's not the top player(s) that get more points than normal.. it's the mid-level players. As an example, think of Hossa. Detroit and Chicago have far more offensive depth than Atlanta did, but he puts up less points.

The only direct comparison you can really make between the two is the World Juniors... which Hall made and Seguin didn't. And if that wasn't enough, what Hall did was very impressive for someone in their draft year.

 

[leafmon]

Again, I'm not making a direct comparison- what I'm saying is that the Oilers Logic (C) of gambling on hunches over substance has killed them time and time again. They picked Niinimaki because they had a hunch he'd become Forsberg 2.0. They picked Dubnyk high because they had a hunch big goalies would dominate the New NHL because of net size changes. They traded down for Pouliot and Jacques because they had a hunch both would be NHLers and two NHLers > one.

Have they made great picks? Absolutely, but I'd argue the case that they'd have shot themselves had the bullet been given to them. Example: Glennie over MSP. I think if both were still on the board, they'd have gone with the Western Canadian boy that MacGregor described as having an elite shot. Example: Colborne over Eberle. I think if Colborne had still been on the board, they'd have taken him instead. Eberle was the perfect Plan B because they knew him intimately thanks to the Davis family's connection with Regina. But given the choice between a 6'5 center and an average-skating 5'10 mite, I think we all know who would have been first on their list.

The same is true here; Hall is everything the Oilers could POSSIBLY ask for in a first overall pick not named Crosby/Malkin. But yet they may end up preferring a kid who has proven far less- and failed more tests- based merely on a hunch he projects better long-term. No rationale observer could possibly put any faith into this group's talent evaluation skills following the first round debacles over the years. How could you? If they don't pick Hall, it's proof they're still stubborn.

Good points but I think the Mem Cup will ensure they pick Hall.
We've seen over the last few years how what I'd call long term no 1 guys get picked apart their last year but they still go first. It's Hall from what I've seen . It's not as easy a choice as the Bruins have at 2 but it isn't a coin-flip either.

 

[19Yzerman19]

Edmonton can take Hall and the hype and Boston will be very happy to have to settle for the best player in the draft.

 

[bdp]

So, Taylor Hall, what else have you done lately?

 

[goalsversusthreshold*]

You're too late. Pierre McGuire already declare that Taylor Hall was going first after he scored a goal in the World Jr.s round robin.

I wonder if McGuire will flip out if the Oilers pick Seguin, like he did when Price was drafted.

Two games is a really really small sample, and it's a lot easier to fall in love with the guy whose games people are watching right now. I don't know enough about them to have an opinion, but this thread is a little melodramatic to say the least.

 

[Ducksgo*]

There are no longer any valid arguments out there anymore, there is no way the Oil pass on this kid.

Hall has been alright the past two games, I wouldn't say deemed worthy of num 1 over Seguin though due to it. Give him more time, I think Moncton makes a fool of Hall today though.

"Puts on firefighter suit do to flames incoming"

 

[81Leafs50]

ISS has Hall ranked number one again!

B's get another playmaking center....I say trade the pick in a package for Jordan Staal +

 

[Spawn]

Central scouting and some other reputable groups have rated Seguin higher.

This is something that I've seen a bunch around here, but it's not correct.

Future Considerations - Taylor Hall #1
ISS - Taylor Hall #1
Red Line Report - Taylor Hall #1
The Hockey News - Taylor Hall #1
TSN (Bob McKenzie) - Taylor Hall #1

When TSN asked NHL scouts, 7 of 10 said that Hall would be the #1 pick.

The only group that has Seguin first that I have been able to find was Central Scouting. And their final list was released before Hall met Seguin in the playoffs, and I believe I read somewhere that if they had done the rankings after it may have affected things.

 

[Soundwave]

Central scouting also rated Kyle Turris higher than Patrick Kane.

I think Central scouting has a bias towards centers, they even admit they gave Seguin the no.1 spot because he's a RH centerman.

 

[s7ark]

Edmonton can take Hall and the hype and Boston will be very happy to have to settle for possibly the best future player in the draft.

Fixed for you.

 

[19Yzerman19]

Fixed for you.

You didn't fix it for me ... But hey whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

ISS has Hall ranked number one again!

B's get another playmaking center....I say trade the pick in a package for Jordan Staal +

Um, what?

Seguin will be converted to wing...he has experience playing wing before, so it won't be a problem.

How does it make sense to trade the pick for Jordan Staal+ when the Bruins have three centers arguably more important to the Bruins' success than Staal? Staal's great, don't get me wrong, but Bergeron is essentially the Penguins' Staal (with more offensive upside), and Krejci and Savard are the top offensive centers for Boston signed to reasonable deals.

I am getting a kick out of your posts though...here and on the Bruins forum.

 

[s7ark]

You didn't fix it for me ... But hey whatever helps you sleep at night

So you really think Seguin is better then Hall right now? Ok then, whatever helps you sleep at night...

 

[OneMoreAstronaut]

If you guys are having trouble sleeping, you should really try some NyQuil. That'll really help you sleep at night.

 

[WheatiesHockey]

The Oilers will most likely take Hall.
If Hall is the best available prospect then the Oilers really should take him without hesitation.
The Oilers are so far out of the picture that they have no one to trade that any other teams wants, have a minimal farm system with few prospects and little chance of signing free agents that are just dying to play in Edmonton.
Taking Hall at least gives the Oilers the hope of a better future.

 

[Spawn]

The Oilers will most likely take Hall.
If Hall is the best available prospect then the Oilers really should take him without hesitation.
The Oilers are so far out of the picture that they have no one to trade that any other teams wants, have a minimal farm system with few prospects and little chance of signing free agents that are just dying to play in Edmonton.
Taking Hall at least gives the Oilers the hope of a better future.

lol minimal farm system with few prospects... Hfboards had the Oilers the 9th ranked team in terms of prospects and that is without having Hall/Seguin on the team.

 

[The Big Unit]

The Oilers will most likely take Hall.
If Hall is the best available prospect then the Oilers really should take him without hesitation.
The Oilers are so far out of the picture that they have no one to trade that any other teams wants, have a minimal farm system with few prospects and little chance of signing free agents that are just dying to play in Edmonton.
Taking Hall at least gives the Oilers the hope of a better future.

get a clue our prospects are either standouts at the world championships (Eberle, MPS and Omark), playing really well in the Memorial Cup (Toni Rajala and Hall if we choose to draft him), and then a stable of decent to good young players who are close to taking the next step.

As for nobody wanting our players, teams would love to have Hemsky, Penner, Gagner and Whitney. Just cuz nobody wants Moreau and O'Sullivan doesn't mean we have no talent here.

If you think our farm team came in last cuz we have no prospects you really have no idea. Remember the 531 man games lost due to injury the Oilers had?? It forced us to call up a ton of AHLers who weren't ready yet meaning our farm team had to ice players who weren't even good enough to be in the AHL. That's a recipe for last place. As for nobody wanting to sign here, that'll change when we finally ice a great team and that's not too far off.

 

[iCanada]

I like this one of all the ones I've heard. I heard someone say Modano the other day, but I think Modano was more of a perimeter player than Hall.

I was taking a read of his wikipedia page, and i'd be damned if it doesn't describe Hall:

_____ was noted for his aggressive "to the net" playing style, typifying the NHL power forward in the early 1980s.... Noted as a "clutch" player, he was able to score key goals when the team most needed them.

 

[Boilers*]

The Oilers will most likely take Hall.
If Hall is the best available prospect then the Oilers really should take him without hesitation.
The Oilers are so far out of the picture that they have no one to trade that any other teams wants, have a minimal farm system with few prospects and little chance of signing free agents that are just dying to play in Edmonton.
Taking Hall at least gives the Oilers the hope of a better future.

Omark, MPS, Eberle, Rajala (a few years away) and now Hall/Seguin. You actually read these boards sometimes right?

 

[firstroundbust]

<----- hopes Oil goes off the board and takes Connolly.

This website would literally implode.

 

[One Trick Pony*]

For a current NHL comparison, Zach Parise.

Even Hall seems to agree.