19Yzerman19
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Did you even read my post? First off, I wasn't even arguing that Duchene had a better year because he outpointed Tavares (to be honest, I didn't even know Duchene outscored Tavares). Just from watching the games you could tell Duchene was/is a much better two way player.. It's also not like Duchene was leaching his way onto a playoff team. He was actually a fairly large part of the Avs push down the stretch.What? Yeah, Duchene had one more point on a playoff team, yay that really proves something.
He did put him that category or else why did he mention those players at all? He did NOT say Seguin was crap like Ninniimkai, or Pouliot. He DID indicate that picking Seguin was going to be based on future potential and certainly by the tone and players he mentioned dubious future potential. The gist of the post was pretty clear the way it was worded. Hall = great player now, Seguin = maybe a great player in the future and in my mind that just doesn't wash. They are 1 and 1A a couple of the closer choices in recent draft history.
There is zero problem having the opinion that Hall is and should be the pick but to say that Seguin is just a projection pick is flat out wrong in my opinion.
Bugg is one of the more respected forum members of that there is no doubt but in this case, as I said before he either worded his intent wrong or in my opinion is just flat out wrong.
Sure Hall can fly and has amazing speed and a good shot, but in the NHL theres a big difference in how to beat NHL defenseman, Hall won't be able to just fly past the D-man and create offense all the time, Seguin has a much better Hockey IQ and vison along with great speed and hands.. Seguin can beat you in so many different ways offensivley..
People who are on Seguin about not PKing didn't watch many Plymouth games, it had nothing to do with his defensive abilities, it was just that almost no one could produce offensively besides him so it would have been a waste to use him so he would be gassed when it became 5 on 5.Plymouth already had a good PK and used some of their players with less ice time. When the game was on the line and the Whalers needed a defensive stop Seguin was alaways outthere and making a difference.
the % of offense Seguin was in on for the Whalers is much higher than Halls, people are saying Hall would of put up insane numbers if he was on Plymouth but their not looking at it the other way. Can you imagine Seguin on a team that scores way more goals a game and Seguin on a team that has much more talent and players to setup,when he was on Plymouth thats all teams had to focus on, I couldn't imagine if he was on the Spits with some space and freedom from being shadowed.
Again, I'm not making a direct comparison- what I'm saying is that the Oilers Logic (C) of gambling on hunches over substance has killed them time and time again. They picked Niinimaki because they had a hunch he'd become Forsberg 2.0. They picked Dubnyk high because they had a hunch big goalies would dominate the New NHL because of net size changes. They traded down for Pouliot and Jacques because they had a hunch both would be NHLers and two NHLers > one.
Have they made great picks? Absolutely, but I'd argue the case that they'd have shot themselves had the bullet been given to them. Example: Glennie over MSP. I think if both were still on the board, they'd have gone with the Western Canadian boy that MacGregor described as having an elite shot. Example: Colborne over Eberle. I think if Colborne had still been on the board, they'd have taken him instead. Eberle was the perfect Plan B because they knew him intimately thanks to the Davis family's connection with Regina. But given the choice between a 6'5 center and an average-skating 5'10 mite, I think we all know who would have been first on their list.
The same is true here; Hall is everything the Oilers could POSSIBLY ask for in a first overall pick not named Crosby/Malkin. But yet they may end up preferring a kid who has proven far less- and failed more tests- based merely on a hunch he projects better long-term. No rationale observer could possibly put any faith into this group's talent evaluation skills following the first round debacles over the years. How could you? If they don't pick Hall, it's proof they're still stubborn.
You're too late. Pierre McGuire already declare that Taylor Hall was going first after he scored a goal in the World Jr.s round robin.
There are no longer any valid arguments out there anymore, there is no way the Oil pass on this kid.
Central scouting and some other reputable groups have rated Seguin higher.
Edmonton can take Hall and the hype and Boston will be very happy to have to settle for possibly the best future player in the draft.
Fixed for you.
ISS has Hall ranked number one again!
B's get another playmaking center....I say trade the pick in a package for Jordan Staal +
You didn't fix it for me ... But hey whatever helps you sleep at night
The Oilers will most likely take Hall.
If Hall is the best available prospect then the Oilers really should take him without hesitation.
The Oilers are so far out of the picture that they have no one to trade that any other teams wants, have a minimal farm system with few prospects and little chance of signing free agents that are just dying to play in Edmonton.
Taking Hall at least gives the Oilers the hope of a better future.
The Oilers will most likely take Hall.
If Hall is the best available prospect then the Oilers really should take him without hesitation.
The Oilers are so far out of the picture that they have no one to trade that any other teams wants, have a minimal farm system with few prospects and little chance of signing free agents that are just dying to play in Edmonton.
Taking Hall at least gives the Oilers the hope of a better future.
I like this one of all the ones I've heard. I heard someone say Modano the other day, but I think Modano was more of a perimeter player than Hall.
_____ was noted for his aggressive "to the net" playing style, typifying the NHL power forward in the early 1980s.... Noted as a "clutch" player, he was able to score key goals when the team most needed them.
The Oilers will most likely take Hall.
If Hall is the best available prospect then the Oilers really should take him without hesitation.
The Oilers are so far out of the picture that they have no one to trade that any other teams wants, have a minimal farm system with few prospects and little chance of signing free agents that are just dying to play in Edmonton.
Taking Hall at least gives the Oilers the hope of a better future.