LW Taylor Hall (2010, 1st overall, EDM)

[Kevin Malone]

Their regular season numbers are still pretty close.

Seguin didnt have the national exposure.

Its still a 2 horse race.

All that being said, Hall has been oh so impressive throughout the playoffs, out shone Seguin head-to-head (Windsor is light years better than Plymouth), and has been out right the best player of the Memorial Cup and it isnt close.

Seguin's skillset is really, really appealing .....I just dont see Edmonton not going with Hall though.

Seguin did not play on the PK, Hall did.

Seguin would often play the full 2min of the PP, Hall did not.

Seguin got 2/3's of his pts at home, Hall was pretty much equal.

Plymouth was really a 2 line team, Windsor 3-4 lines

Seguins coach left him on the ice for the last 5min of the last regular season game while pulling the goalie just so he could tie Hall for the scoring title. Hall was being rested for the playoffs while also being gone at the WJC.

 

[arsmaster*]

Again, I'm not making a direct comparison- what I'm saying is that the Oilers Logic (C) of gambling on hunches over substance has killed them time and time again. They picked Niinimaki because they had a hunch he'd become Forsberg 2.0. They picked Dubnyk high because they had a hunch big goalies would dominate the New NHL because of net size changes. They traded down for Pouliot and Jacques because they had a hunch both would be NHLers and two NHLers > one.

Have they made great picks? Absolutely, but I'd argue the case that they'd have shot themselves had the bullet been given to them. Example: Glennie over MSP. I think if both were still on the board, they'd have gone with the Western Canadian boy that MacGregor described as having an elite shot. Example: Colborne over Eberle. I think if Colborne had still been on the board, they'd have taken him instead. Eberle was the perfect Plan B because they knew him intimately thanks to the Davis family's connection with Regina. But given the choice between a 6'5 center and an average-skating 5'10 mite, I think we all know who would have been first on their list.

The same is true here; Hall is everything the Oilers could POSSIBLY ask for in a first overall pick not named Crosby/Malkin. But yet they may end up preferring a kid who has proven far less- and failed more tests- based merely on a hunch he projects better long-term. No rationale observer could possibly put any faith into this group's talent evaluation skills following the first round debacles over the years. How could you? If they don't pick Hall, it's proof they're still stubborn.

Have any of the 4 guys you mentioned (Eberle, Colborne, Glennie, or Paarjaavi) proved anything at the NHL level to really make it worth comparing at this point???

NO.

Obviously, the Oilers picks have made great strides towards being good NHLers, but junior stats arent everything.


Its not as if the gap is big between the 2 guys, its just we have all seen Hall a lot more, and he is exciting.

Its not like its Hall(ovechkin) and Seguin (Mike Richards) its more like Hall (ovechkin) and Seguin (Malkin)......not saying either is as good as the comparison, just that they are 2 elite prospects head and shoulders above the rest, who happen to play 2 different forward positions.

 

[jmelm]

He reminds me of a 6'1 version of Mark Recchi in his prime.


Also, a little bit of Bure or Lecavalier.

 

[SiouxPride]

... Am i the only one that thinks Seguin fits best in Edmonton given Eberle and MPS, and Hall in Boston to replace Kessel's offensive play..

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

... Am i the only one that thinks Seguin fits best in Edmonton given Eberle and MPS, and Hall in Boston to replace Kessel's offensive play..

the "best fit" for the Oilers is BPA....which is Hall

talk to the Portland Trail Blazers about drafting for "fit"

 

[One Trick Pony*]

... Am i the only one that thinks Seguin fits best in Edmonton given Eberle and MPS, and Hall in Boston to replace Kessel's offensive play..

Because when you have the 1st overall pick you draft by organizational need..........

 

[Kevin Malone]

... Am i the only one that thinks Seguin fits best in Edmonton given Eberle and MPS, and Hall in Boston to replace Kessel's offensive play..

Perhaps, but when you're selecting first overall you take BPA. Should the Penguins have taken Fleury over Eric Staal because he fits in better. Not really IMO.

 

[CamDegs13]

As a B's fan, I'm perfectly content with the consolation prize.

 

[Leviathan]

There are no longer any valid arguments out there anymore, there is no way the Oil pass on this kid.

You're too late. Pierre McGuire already declare that Taylor Hall was going first after he scored a goal in the World Jr.s round robin.

 

[arsmaster*]

Seguin did not play on the PK, Hall did.

Seguin would often play the full 2min of the PP, Hall did not.

Seguin got 2/3's of his pts at home, Hall was pretty much equal.

Plymouth was really a 2 line team, Windsor 3-4 lines

Seguins coach left him on the ice for the last 5min of the last regular season game while pulling the goalie just so he could tie Hall for the scoring title. Hall was being rested for the playoffs while also being gone at the WJC.

Fair enough Curtis, those are all very valid points.

IF Plymouth didnt have Seguin would they have been anywhere near as good as they were?

Take Hall of the Spits, and they are still a dominating team.

I can concede you know, and see much more of the OHL than I do, but the games I saw of Seguin (a couple online, prospects game, youtube -small sample), I saw a player who projects to be a very good NHL center ice men, who definately has all the qualities of a #1 center.

His importance to Plymouth was unreal.....they would have been stupid to use him on the PK.

Being a 4 line team compared to a 2 line team shows just as much about Seguin as it does to Hall.

Hall is a legit #1 pick, but Seguin going #1 wouldnt shock me.

 

[Alberta tough]

What has impressed me about Hall lately is his defense, most notably his shot blocking.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Most impressive thing about Hall? He shows up when it counts. He doesn't pad his stats against lesser opponents, then disappear when the games count most.

Even if he doesn't materialize as a consistent 40 goal, 100 point man in the NHL, you just know that whatever points he does produce, it'll be when his team needs him most.

 

[SiouxPride]

But i mean, in most cases yes, but with 2 prospects like Hall & Seguin, im pretty sure each are going to be NHL players, so in this case, wouldnt ti make a LITTLE bit MORE sense then most other cases?

 

[Kevin Malone]

Fair enough Curtis, those are all very valid points.

IF Plymouth didnt have Seguin would they have been anywhere near as good as they were?

I can concede you know, and see much more of the OHL than I do, but the games I saw of Seguin (a couple online, prospects game, youtube -small sample), I saw a player who projects to be a very good NHL center ice men, who definately has all the qualities of a #1 center.

My biggest problem with Sequin is he dissapears for long stretches of time. Hall brings it every shift, anyone who watches him knows this. Sure Seguin scores a lot of YouTube quality goals. My problem is those who just compare the highlights of the two instead of watching them for a full game or season.

Take Hall of the Spits, and they are still a dominating team.

Taylor Hall helped turned Windsor from a laughing stock to a premier CHL program. The year before he came to Windsor the team had 43pts, the next season they had 94pts. That's the largest turn around in CHL history.

His importance to Plymouth was unreal.....they would have been stupid to use him on the PK

Windsor has one of the top PK's in the country in part due to Hall. He keeps teams honest and is always on the puck.

Being a 4 line team compared to a 2 line team shows just as much about Seguin as it does to Hall.

I don't think so. If Hall was in Sequins environment where he didn't have to PK, played the full 2min of the PP and was double shifted he would have put up insane numbers. Likewise if Seguin was put in Hall's place his production would decline.

 

[dafoomie]

Isn't anyone concerned with how much punishment Hall takes during a game? If he takes hits like that at the NHL level, he's going to get hurt.

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

I can't wait for Seguin to wear a Bruins jersey.

It's amazing how much disrespect he's getting in this thread.

 

[s7ark]

Isn't anyone concerned with how much punishment Hall takes during a game? If he takes hits like that at the NHL level, he's going to get hurt.

Don't worry, we'll take that risk off your hands.

0 games lost to injury so far... knock on wood

 

[JeromeHP]

I can't wait for Seguin to wear a Bruins jersey.

It's amazing how much disrespect he's getting in this thread.

this

some poster can't praise Hall without putting down Seguin and vice versa earlier in the year when Seguin was hot

 

[bruinsfan46]

I can't wait for Seguin to wear a Bruins jersey.

It's amazing how much disrespect he's getting in this thread.

That's just the HF Boards way of doing things, in any comparison the best way is to go to putting the other guy down. They're both spectacular prospects and unless the OP is Tambellini himself, he can't know for sure who's going number one.

 

[Wheatking]

... Am i the only one that thinks Seguin fits best in Edmonton given Eberle and MPS, and Hall in Boston to replace Kessel's offensive play..

If the Oilers are drafting based on needs(which they shouldn't do), they should be looking at the current team and not unproven talent....and more specifically they should be looking at who is a better compliment for Hemsky.

For years Oilers fans have been screaming for a pure sniper to play with Hemsky. There are a lot of areas where Seguin is better than Hall but goal scoring is not one of them. He has a much better shot and the thought of him one timing Hemsky's cross ice passes gets me very pumped about the Oilers future.

 

[glassjaw*]

People always try to build up other players to be picked before the clear cut number #1 guys like Hall, Tavares, Kane, and Stamkos. If they have been touted as going first overall for years, they'll go first overall.

 

[umwoz]

Interesting take on that one. I always thought Edmonton fans were waiting for the complimentary playmaker to put Hemsky at 40-50 goal status.

That said, Hall goes number 1. 1st overall doesn't go to a need.

BPA - Plain and simple

 

[Beerfish]

My biggest problem with Sequin is he dissapears for long stretches of time. Hall brings it every shift, anyone who watches him knows this. Sure Seguin scores a lot of YouTube quality goals. My problem is those who just compare the highlights of the two instead of watching them for a full game or season.



Taylor Hall helped turned Windsor from a laughing stock to a premier CHL program. The year before he came to Windsor the team had 43pts, the next season they had 94pts. That's the largest turn around in CHL history.



Windsor has one of the top PK's in the country in part due to Hall. He keeps teams honest and is always on the puck.



I don't think so. If Hall was in Sequins environment where he didn't have to PK, played the full 2min of the PP and was double shifted he would have put up insane numbers. Likewise if Seguin was put in Hall's place his production would decline.

This is simply a no win argument on either side because as you say that if Hall played as much as Sequin he'd have a phenominal # of points where the counter argument is that if Seguin was playing with a whole host of great players including 2 of the top puck moving d-men he's have way more points. There is simply no way to prove how each player would produce in the other role.

Ice time and opportunity vs way better team mates and less ice time. Impossible to reasonably project either way unless a person has made up their mind and is trying to prove a point.

That argument simply doesn't wash with me.

 

[Anonymous User]

I feel sorry for Hall, since we wants to play for Boston.

 

[Beerfish]

If the Oilers are drafting based on needs(which they shouldn't do), they should be looking at the current team and not unproven talent....and more specifically they should be looking at who is a better compliment for Hemsky.

For years Oilers fans have been screaming for a pure sniper to play with Hemsky. There are a lot of areas where Seguin is better than Hall but goal scoring is not one of them. He has a much better shot and the thought of him one timing Hemsky's cross ice passes gets me very pumped about the Oilers future.

And yet Seguin scored more goals than Hall this year. Also ever 2nd threa around here is a 'trade Hemsky ' thread.