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LW/RW Nikolaj Ehlers (2014, 9th, WPG) III

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Romang67 said:
I don't agree. Ladd and Little are both players that have reached that range, and Wheeler has eclipsed it, and I see Ehlers as having considerable more offensive potential than any of those players.

I don't think he'll hit 85-90 points in today's NHL though. Not impossible, I just don't see it.
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Those 3 players combined have 1 season with more than 65 points, and can only see scoring decreasing in the coming years.

I do agree that Ehlers has more offensive potential than those players, I think that he will consistently be scoring around 60-65 points, with a few seasons in the 70s maybe even 75+.

If this were 5 years ago I would say he has ppg+ potential, but its extremely hard to put up 82 points in a season these days.
 
Plastic Joseph said:
Those 3 players combined have 1 season with more than 65 points, and can only see scoring decreasing in the coming years.

I do agree that Ehlers has more offensive potential than those players, I think that he will consistently be scoring around 60-65 points, with a few seasons in the 70s maybe even 75+.

If this were 5 years ago I would say he has ppg+ potential, but its extremely hard to put up 82 points in a season these days.
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Tyler Johnson had 72 points this year. I think Ehlers could be as productive as him in the NHL, given the right linemates.
 
Romang67 said:
I don't agree. Ladd and Little are both players that have reached that range, and Wheeler has eclipsed it, and I see Ehlers as having considerable more offensive potential than any of those players.

I don't think he'll hit 85-90 points in today's NHL though. Not impossible, I just don't see it.
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I think scoring is about to go up . The game has shifted due to open ice hits being virtually illegal and even when they are legal they end up in a line brawl. Players have just begun to adjust to it and we will see more sharpshooters take advantage of the open shots in the slot more. They tend to be little guys who never dared enter and now they have a free pass.

Given todays scoring leader had 86 points as a reference, he can get 80 points. Since he is the same age as Mc David he has no hope of winning a scoring title but he can and should be a top 10 scorer during his prime.
 
Signed said:
I think scoring is about to go up . The game has shifted due to open ice hits being virtually illegal and even when they are legal they end up in a line brawl. Players have just begun to adjust to it and we will see more sharpshooters take advantage of the open shots in the slot more. They tend to be little guys who never dared enter and now they have a free pass.

Given todays scoring leader had 86 points as a reference, he can get 80 points. Since he is the same age as Mc David he has no hope of winning a scoring title but he can and should be a top 10 scorer during his prime.
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Kinda like how Malkin never had a chance to win any because he was similar in age to Crosby.....
 
Does anyone have an updated chart of Ehlers numbers in comparison to other prospects during their draft+1 years?

I've got his draft year numbers where he's directly comparable to Seguin, Hall, Tavares, Stamkos, Brassard, Strome, Ryan and Huberdeau, but I don't have the information from this past season.

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I'm trying to argue that very few players who have posted Ehlers-esque numbers have failed to become impactful NHLers. I'd love to have the numbers to support my argument.
 
SillyRabbit said:
Does anyone have an updated chart of Ehlers numbers in comparison to other prospects during their draft+1 years?

I've got his draft year numbers where he's directly comparable to Seguin, Hall, Tavares, Stamkos, Brassard, Strome, Ryan and Huberdeau, but I don't have the information from this past season.

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I'm trying to argue that very few players who have posted Ehlers-esque numbers have failed to become impactful NHLers. I'd love to have the numbers to support my argument.
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He'll be good and probably a first liner, but that chart shows a drastic difference between Q and O guy's.
 
If you want to compare based on NHLE you can check it at The Projection Project. We don't have it set up to compare only within the drafted league or within the CHL yet but that functionality will probably be going up this coming week.
 
He can't play in the AHL, he's still CHL eligible. Reports on whether he can be loaned to a European team mixed.
 
I actually agree with Ehlers - he destroyed the CHL, he has nothing left to learn or prove there.

The AHL would obviously be ideal, but can't go there. I think he makes the Jets, especially with Frolik leaving and a roster spot opening up.
 
SillyRabbit said:
Does anyone have an updated chart of Ehlers numbers in comparison to other prospects during their draft+1 years?

I've got his draft year numbers where he's directly comparable to Seguin, Hall, Tavares, Stamkos, Brassard, Strome, Ryan and Huberdeau, but I don't have the information from this past season.

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I'm trying to argue that very few players who have posted Ehlers-esque numbers have failed to become impactful NHLers. I'd love to have the numbers to support my argument.
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I'm not going to argue against Ehlers, but you'd be better off with just Q guys. The Q guys on that list aren't really big impact guys.
 
Izzy said:
I'm not going to argue against Ehlers, but you'd be better off with just Q guys. The Q guys on that list aren't really big impact guys.
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How exactly are Couturier/Huberdeau/Brassard not impact guys? What?
 
Spartans2810 said:
How exactly are Couturier/Huberdeau/Brassard not impact guys? What?
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I wouldn't say they are big/high/above average impact guys, whatever. There is a big difference between the Q guys on that list and the OHLers and WHLers. It's easy to say everyone is an impact guy in the league.
 
Izzy said:
I wouldn't say they are big/high/above average impact guys, whatever. There is a big difference between the Q guys on that list and the OHLers and WHLers. It's easy to say everyone is an impact guy in the league.
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Brassard is the #1C on the best team in league, Couturier is a Selke calibre forward at 22 with .5 PPG and much room to improve, Huberdeau is a good young player though I'm not crazy about him. You're underselling these 3 a lot.
 
Spartans2810 said:
Brassard is the #1C on the best team in league, Couturier is a Selke calibre forward at 22 with .5 PPG and much room to improve, Huberdeau is a good young player though I'm not crazy about him. You're underselling these 3 a lot.
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compared to the non Q guys on the list, they are nothing.

I'm not underselling them, but that list doesn't help point out that high production players in the Q are set to be high impact, 1st liners with high production in the NHL.
 
Spartans2810 said:
Brassard is the #1C on the best team in league, Couturier is a Selke calibre forward at 22 with .5 PPG and much room to improve, Huberdeau is a good young player though I'm not crazy about him. You're underselling these 3 a lot.
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Stepan is pretty much on equal footing as the #1 center on Rangers as he gets more minutes and has a better production rate. But if you think the Q guys are equal to the o guys on that list I don't know what to say. Stamkos has led the league in scoring, Tavares was nominated for a Hart trophy, Seguin has been one of the best point getters two seasons in a row. None of the Q guys have topped 60 in a season.
 
Izzy said:
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compared to the non Q guys on the list, they are nothing.

I'm not underselling them, but that list doesn't help point out that high production players in the Q are set to be high impact, 1st liners with high production in the NHL.
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Those OHL players are not the norm obviously and are some of the best players in the world, not a fair comparison there. I for one don't believe Ehlers game will translate like some here think but it won't be because he played in the Q....
 
Spartans2810 said:
Those OHL players are not the norm obviously and are some of the best players in the world, not a fair comparison there. I for one don't believe Ehlers game will translate like some here think but it won't be because he played in the Q....
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I think the one thing that might hold him back is size and strength. He doesn't (from Halifax games I've watched live) seem to be good along the boards and might have a harder time dealing with the reach andd strength from more physically mature players in the NHL. Otherwise, there isn't many better offensive prospects around. Blazing speed, nasty shot, and good hands to boot.
 
If Ehlers goes to Switzerland next year to play against men, I can see him making a serious Calder trophy run in 2016-2017.
 
heretik27 said:
Could always add Crosby and Giroux to that list.
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except Crosby points totals (and i would assume adjusted point totals )blow those out of the water, he avg'd a full point more a game in there draft year. These are just the closest comparable's using adjusted stats. Wish there was a site which had this as a sortable list.
 
I really wanted the Leafs to draft Ehlers (I'm from Halifax) but in all honesty, I'm really really gun-shy of big point producers in the Q.
I know guys like Crosby, Giroux and MacKinnon have translated exceptionally well, but justified or not, I still feel like they have a higher flop rate than the OHL and WHL.
 
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