HarrisonFord
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I think it would be very interesting to see Ehlers vs. Matthews next year in terms of production.
LW/RW Nikolaj Ehlers (2014, 9th, WPG) III
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I think it would be very interesting to see Ehlers vs. Matthews next year in terms of production.
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I think what he's trying to say is that no one will ever take the group of Q players on that list over the group of players from the O.
Not a single soul.
Sortable by what exactly? The projection project can do comparable lists by PPG within leagues now, no era adjustment yet but it will come.
If there's demand for comparison across the CHL leagues that can be added too for sure. Really anything people might find interesting / want to see comparisons for I'd like to add.
The age and league/era adjustable. Unless this already exists, would love to have a look at it.
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From a PPG perspective Giroux is a pretty close comparable to Ehlers D and D+1 years. From a % of team goals perspective Ehlers D+1 is much higher than Giroux’s D+1. AFAIK Crosby’s D year is the closest anyone has found to Ehlers 57% of team scoring, but he did it in his D not his D+1 and his PPG was a lot higher.
Add Weiss and Hodgson, and Giroux and Crosby, and then....?
Obviously the O is a better league, but when you have a player that produces like Ehlers in his draft and draft+1 season (his first two seasons in the CHL), it's a bit silly to run him down based on QoC, especially since he's shown dynamic talent in several other competitive situations.
I did this a while ago... it is for the 2014/15 season unless specified (for Drouin and Crosby).
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I know age is more relevant, but I would also note that Ehlers' draft year was as a rookie in the CHL, so he was making some adjustment to the smaller rink and NA style of play.
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Ummm. both Hodgson and Weiss scored at a lower PPG rate in their draft year then the ohl guys listed (which this is measuring). Plus Weiss pre-dates anyone on that list by a wide margin.
Fair enough. How do you like Yakupov as a prospect so far?
....and Crosby or Giroux?
The projections are interesting, and will probably get better when more variables are added and sample sizes are larger. However, anyone who has watched Ehlers play knows that he has the kind of elite speed and talent that often translates to the NHL. I think he'd be a very high scorer in any CHL league. This meme that he's just a high scorer in a "pee wee league" is pretty much nonsense if you've actually watched him play.
They listed comparables as mentioned earlier Crosby avg'd a full point more a game so its not really relevant, his adjusted scoring would be in a different realm then everyone else. It'd be like trying to compare McDavid and Kane to the other O guys. Yakupov didn't have a great draft year avg 1.6 as a late birthday, it would be interesting to see Yakupov's 17 year old season added to the list. Giroux is an interesting omission. But Yakupov also has the traits you are stressing Giroux has. The list is just showing the 9 closest comparables to him after factoring in adjustments.
Edit: If u want to bring in Giroux, you'd probably have to add Francois Bouchard as their ppg for their draft year (2005-06) are virtually identical and Bouchard was 3 months younger.
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Can't see the Jets sending this kid to Switzerland for a year, sorry. Per the last reports he was already headed to Winnipeg this past weekend to begin working out with the Jets fitness guru Dr. Craig Slaunwhite. He'll be ready to go this year.
Hey, here is how he looked the last time he lined up against the men:
Hey, here is how he looked the last time he lined up against the men:
If you want to go back to Giroux draft year my guess is the worst first year draft eligible player to crack 100 would be Sam Gagne, but if you can find one worse I'll be surprised. Just pointing out the flaw in picking Giroux as an exampe because it also brings in Bouchard.
AstrophysicalJet
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What are you trying to point out and why?
Are you saying Ehlers Will bust? Is he overrated?
Im asking since you support the Leafs.
No, he's a good prospect, you could make a legitimate case he's the 2nd best player from the 2014 draft or that he's 7th (can't convince me he's lower then that). Just was responding to the posters who originally complained that the list of the closest comparables (using era and age adjustments) to Ehlers saying it made the QMJHL look weaker to that of the OHL (list consisted of Hall, Stamkos, Tavares, Seguin, Strome, Brassard, Couturier, Huburdeau, Bobby Ryan) and that it was biased by ignoring Crosby and Giroux. What I have tried to point out is that is the list only showed closest comparables and wouldn't have Crosby for the Q (like Kane for the O and probably Gagne too) because their adjusted stats wouldn't be close (Crosby avg'd a full point more a game before any adjustments).
The reason I brought up Bouchard is because posters thought by not having Giroux listed it was belittling the Q (and therefore Ehlers). I was simply pointing out if you want to use Giroux as a comparable statistically you also would have to include Bouchard as their statistical profiles are nearly identical (after factoring in adjustments you would expect Bouchard to be higher). My main point was basically you can't just take the positives of Giroux and ignore Bouchard, even though Ehlers profiled better then both. I'm not making any judgement on any prospect in this case. Personally, I'm a little skeptical on guys from the Q, but that just might be an Ontario bias.
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so does having Dylan Strome on the 2nd line help McDavid's production?
what does Meier's look like? seems to me if you're the only productive line and you play 30 minutes a game, you should be 60% of the team's forward offence
Raimu
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To be fair this could be said about pretty much every player on that chart.
Crosby hardly left the ice, Drouin was used by the same coach as Ehlers in the same way, played the full 2 minutes on power-plays, out every second shift, etc.
McDavid and Strome played on the PP together and got put together at times 5 on 5 as well.
Lots of ice-time is pretty common for top junior players. I can't find any junior player that had as high productivity (points/game) in relation to their team's goals/game.
HarrisonFord
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Jesus, he's so lucky that was Pomminville at the blue line and not somebody else, the way he was skating with his head down like that. I cringed for a second
Frame-by-frame....
Actually, to me it looks like Ehlers looked up and saw Pominville (frame 2), hesitated and then carried on when he saw that Pominville was turning away.
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Don't fight the narrative, Whileee. Apparently on that play Ehlers was an 18 y/o that was lucky he didn't get flattened, versus a skilled 18 y/o that danced through 4 NHL players and easily protected the puck against Dumba as if he wasn't there.
Ehlers plays at a very high pace and does go to some dangerous areas, but he really plays with his head up. Here's a another angle of that play. He's looking straight at Pominville before he decides to take the puck through and go around Dumba.
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