Have Your Say
Who should the Leafs choose No. 1 overall?
Auston Matthews 72.67% (351 votes)
Patrik Laine 25.47% (123 votes)
Other 1.86% (9 votes)
Total Votes: 483
This is on Toronto Star. It's honestly closer than I'd expect.
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Have Your Say
Who should the Leafs choose No. 1 overall?
Auston Matthews 72.67% (351 votes)
Patrik Laine 25.47% (123 votes)
Other 1.86% (9 votes)
Total Votes: 483
This is on Toronto Star. It's honestly closer than I'd expect.
BB88
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What so bad has he said?
-He has said he wants to be the best player in the league, shouldn't be too crazy.
-He has said he feels he and Matthews are quite even, Matthews is better at some things and Laine at some things, again shouldn't be that crazy.
-He has said his goal is to be a 50 goal scorer in 5 years, that shows his drive, and that should be a positive, not a negative, unless you want players who will just apologize.
If you want to be the best you have to have the drive.
Watch his videos and how he is in them, he doesn't seem like a guy with ego problems.
But everything he says has to be turned into a problem.
No you are right. I was responding to the ridiculous lemieux post above. Or trying to. Replied to wrong post on my phone. My bad.
Well, in that case, i most have overestimated the press forming any kind of opinion for fans who pays for the show, in that case, congratz to getting Laine!
EDIT, I really hope Lou caves (for something) and draft for positional needs, Laine deserves a cup down the road, so obviously he shouldn´t be stuck fishing in the desert for that.
Jets is perfect for him.
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KGL
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Way to fudge the quote. He didn't say he "wants to be the best player in the NHL", he said "I have the ability to someday become the best player in the NHL". Arrogance.
Of course it's impossible because there are too many people like you who think that there should be some kind of concensus found. And the concensus should of course be based on your opinion. When people have very different opinions from your own and your preferred concensus opinion, your kind starts mocking how low class the discussion is, and how some people can't be taken seriously. Well, I for sure can't take seriously your concensus kind. Let there be opinions without bashing the top prospect in his own thread. And don't attack Laine or his fans who really believe much more in his talent than some others over here. Time will tell how good he will become - not you, not me or anyone else can define that now.
What I do know is that Laine's pre-draft season is second to none, and I'm almost sure that he will become an NHL star. How great he can become no one knows. I really hope people would stop defining so much what top prospects can become. I bet anyone who would have claimed during their pre-draft season's that Lidström, Zetterberg or Benn would have become the class of players they became, the claimer would have been called at these boards as an idiot and completely lost person.
Some of the people here are really so irritatingly inside so small boxes, I have never understood the need for this kind of thinking. But sure everyone has their right to be whatever they are, as long as they don't harm others,
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bert
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Have you ever seen a Brett Hull one timer. Sticks or not I dont believe for a second its 20% harder.
BB88
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Just read ton of quotes from him today again, and he says his dream has been to be the best from this draft always, he's dream has been to be the best player in the league.
"That's always been my goal"
"I want to be No 1 because I want to show everybody that I want to be the best player in this draft"
And he said he feels he has a skill that can make him stand out, skill that can make him the best player in the league, scoring a la Ovy.
He doesn't say he is.
But honestly I'm not surprised at all to see these posts.
You are leaving a lot out of your post and edit to short quote to make it sound worse.
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Roof Daddy
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I don't really see what's wrong with that, nor do I disagree. I think most would agree that Laine has the best shot we've seem from any prospect since Ovechkin. He doesn't have the speed or power that Ovie had at that age, definitely not as dynamic, but I think he is smarter than Ovie when it comes to finding open looks, certainly a lot less predictable than Ovie.
Ovie has won 3 Hart trophies simply being the most dominant goal scorer (a very physical player as well), but with all other elements to the game being pretty average (defensive play for instance).
So if we can agree that he compares favourably to Ovie in terms of being a one shot scorer, why is anything he's saying arrogant. He has the ability. Will he be? Doubt it, but in an era where goals are so hard to come by, he could put up a Hart trophy winning season at some point in his career.
Gsus
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Arrogant in what way? You guys have too small sample sizes in these comments.
Every finnish who have seen his interviews thru out the year can say that he's actually a good guy, sometimes looks like a humble guy. I just don't get these type of comments, but I guess there's always the other side of things or people. I would call that great self-confidence and determination. You clearly see that he has crossed the line.I thought one timers are almost as fast as their best shots.
Thought that Laine's onetimer would'been something like 150kmh since he shoots nearly 160kmh with couple of steps.
Hokinaittii
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Seems like someone doesn't realize the difference between being confident and being arrogance.
And bear in mind, just because he said that in English, doesn't necessary mean it came out the way he thought it in his head.
But yeah, in the end who cares if he's a little arrogance at his age and especially with the achievements he already has accomplished. I'm sure he isn't the only superstar in sport with same attittude.
Again. He is 17 now. Even if it was 14. Thats
Not a ton of time. But ok. Also where is the quote that says 14? Did you make
It up or did he put a limit? If you honestly think the best player gets kicked
Off a team because of a media rumor. Wow.
Name another top 5 pick who got kicked off a
Team due to probs with their coach?
Sorry dude, but read a bit more carefully what comments each of us made. I didn't claim anything about the 20% difference. It was ijuka's claim. I only answered to one of the Leaf fan's comment on that, that a 20% difference would be mostly explained by the evolution of the hockey sticks in 20 years. I don't know if the 20% difference is a fact, but I also doubt that ijuka would write here false information on something like that.
And yes I have seen huge amounts of Hull's onetimers. I was born already 1972 and started playing and following hockey intensively in the 80's. I am a real hockey addict who has watched thousands of hockey games in all of the top hockey leagues in the world. So please not anymore comments like "have you even seen him or him play?" I have seen huge amounts of games from every top star in the world since Gretzky's times. I don't comment on players whom I haven't seen playing in numerous games.
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Gsus
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Laine is actually 18. And all what he said is true, Laine has admitted the middle finger thing and talked about it how he regrets it. What's your point?
He has shown that he's matured and many people including couple of NA hockey reporters have told he seems like a good guy.
People are making it seem like the attitude issues are an english translation thing
Or some sort of matthews love fear.
The kid had documented attitude issues. He says it. He got kicked
Off a team for it not too long ago. They may be over. They may not. Im pretty sure he would be on his best behaviour in his draft year.
People are now acting like we are making it up, or somehow it is a good think that he alledgedly threatened his coach. Come on. Because he wants to win? He got benched?
The issue isnt that is is an issue... Its that people will turn everything into a
Ridiculously biased positive.
People arent jealous or haters when a kid admits to behavioural
Issues 2 years ago.
BB88
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Are you a Finn or not?
But it's great that you think kids won't grow up, no one ever matures, they'll just stay the same
Are you a Finn or not?
But it's great that you think kids won't grow up, no one ever matures, they'll just stay the same
Some do. Some dont. Thats what im saying. I have worked
With youths for 10 yrs. some grow up. Some talk the talk to stay out of trouble. What i am saying is. That it is not unrealistic to have that concern. You can choose to believe
One way. But others can choose to believe the other way
BB88
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Ignored my question, are you a Finn or not?
You should know that 2 years when the guy is 18 is a long time.
But it's great that you keep punishing him from that, he himself regrets it, but has also said it was the best wake up call he could have gotten.
It's impossible to talk with you, you ignore everything that gets said to you.
Things that Finnish hockey experts say, what his coaches say, what Finnish articles say.
You just ignore that with Finnish bias card.
Once more, this is a hockey crazy country, everything he does gets mentioned in the news pretty much, there have been no bad articles about him for ages, and the media would love go run crazy with those articles to sell papers but he hasn't given them any reasons.
He got professional help, and his girlfriend has been a huge help with his family too.
But ignore everything.
The team doesn't matter, his goal has always been to go 1st overall.
"That's always been my goal"
"I want to be No 1 because I want to show everybody that I want to be the best player in this draft"
+ No Finn had ever been 1st overall.
I'm a Finn so it can't be, it can only be my bias talking
Gsus
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First of all, different cultural things can be seen as arrogance and things like that. In Finland players never tell the field reporters how much they appreciate it or throw that "american fake laughter" in there. But I guess it's not the case here tho.
Ofc it's not a good thing to show middle finger to your coach, and he knows that. You may think that we are biased in every comment we make on Laine, but trust me, he's pretty much matured. I've seen many interviews in which he doesn't talk about hockey and he seems to be a great guy, wouldn't think of any attitude problems.
Once he talks about hockey and the reporters give him questions and sometimes direct the question towards a "do you believe you can be the best player in the world", what do you expect him to answer? It annoys me that his confidence is seen as arrogance and every other negative thing.
It's 2016 and people lose their **** when someone says that he believes he could one day be the best at something (goal scoring for example in this case).
I would like to hear from people who think he's arrogant or whatever that what of his comments or things he's done makes them think like it.
My first thought in my head when someone (mostly NA native/Leaf fan) comes here with a oneliner saying that "Laine has some serious attitude problems" or smth like that, is: "Oh, they really don't know **** about him
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At least you have a solid username to post-content ratio.
He hasn't had any incidents since that big one. Some might think that means he's learned his lesson and has matured, but that's krazy, isn't it?
BB88
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I keep hoping the draft day would already be here.
I hope when the day comes this craziness level goes down a bit.
The Winter Soldier
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You really show your bias when you pick on this Laine quote as a negative.
Any young man or woman for that matter that says. I have the ability to be the best Doctor, Teacher, Lawyer, Accountant, or hockey player is arrogant? I know I would applaud that young person. We should have more young men and women that strive to be the best in any vocation they aspire to be.
Gsus
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This. Wish they would see this post and actually think of it in their heads.
I'm kinda losing my hope on these people if they think thriving for success or being confident what you could be one day is arrogance. That's probably another reason why aliens won't talk to us. Sometimes you just don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's good that Laine doesn't care about these people.
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