LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016, 2nd, WPG) XII

[cotopaxi]

Edit: Gino Reda is a very respected hockey personality in Canada. I doubt he would risk his reputation misquoting Laine.

"Patrik Laine says he'll equal Ovechkin in 5 years."

Are you saying he was misquoted by the reporter?

https://www.nhl.com/news/patrik-laine-believes-he-should-be-top-pick/c-280886088

"Laine compared himself to Washington Capitals captain Alex Ovechkin, and said he would hope to be as good as his favorite player five years into his NHL career."

 

[BB88]

Edit: Gino Reda is a very respected hockey personality in Canada. I doubt he would risk his reputation misquoting Laine.

You just happened to ignore the whole NHL article on Laine which clearly says he hopes to be like his favourite player in 5 years.
But as it doesn't fit to your goal here why bother.

 

[Whileee]

Laine's microscope is the fault of not only himself but the fans and media hyping him to be "better" than Matthews. He said he is the next ovi, fans say he is better than Matthews, so he better be good.

So far score sheet aside as that is irrelevant, Matthews is notiable every time he is on the ice, always driving a play or being a force in the corners. He plays like a power forward, and already looks like one of team NA best players.

Laine IMO has been the opposite. Largley unnoticeable, with a few moments of seeing him show up out of nowhere with a chance. While some might say "You can see flashes", in my opinion it's more like his old tricks dont work with the faster pace and less room of an NHL rink. This was also discussed a lot before hand. Will he be able to figure out how to play on NA ice? If so, does he become the elite player he was projected? Or a 2nd line scorer who has a few 30 goal years?

To me you can clearly see the tier difference here. Laine is a complimentary piece, while Matthews drives the play. I now question those who hyped Laine so much after the Leafs won the lottery.

I think you might be missing quite a bit when you watch how these players play. Laine is going to be much more than a "complimentary" player. If you can't see those qualities in him as an 18 year old then you're missing something.

Matthews is a fantastic young player, and I think clearly a step above Laine. But I don't think many are actually realizing how unusual it is for an 18 year old to do what Laine has been doing, even in the games against Sweden. If you saw Marner or Nylander playing against Team Sweden as 18 year olds you would realize how tough the competition is.

Not that it should require repetition, but there is a huge gap in the quality of defense between Team Europe and Team Sweden. Team Sweden's D is going to make a lot of very good forwards look ordinary, and Team Europe's D is going to make quite a few so-so forwards look pretty good.

 

[ijuka]

You didn't catch my point. I think McDavid is fantastic and otherworldly, but he had an off game last night. Judging him based on that one game is silly. It's also silly to judge Laine in such a small sample.

Still, I think you have misread Laine's play in the first two games. He certainly kept up with the speed of the game; at least as much as most of the Finnish players. He was actually very solid with the puck, with good confidence and excellent pinpoint passing. He was doing that against a much, much better team than Team NA has faced for their first two games. The competition has been apples and oranges. Not many forwards are going to look dominant against that Swedish defense. More than a few will look pretty darn good against the Team Europe defensive pylons.

Moreso than with the puck, I've been pretty impressed by him off the puck. He's had good defensive play, 2 very strong defensive efforts in unexpected situations, some physical play and he's received the puck a lot. Of course, he did have a couple of mistakes as well but actually receiving the puck alot is very important. Compare to Granlund here - Last game, Granlund's game was considered good by many people. However, he received the puck very few times. Did he have more impact than Laine when he had only 2/3rd the amount of puck actions? Not to even mention that Granlund had comparatively more bad ones than Laine did... But Laine had the puck alot, so his total number of mistakes was higher.

Still, most of his flubs have in my opinion been with the puck and there have been plenty of them. Even so, his successful plays have been of very high quality. You know the pass is hard when after a bad pass by Laine gets intercepted at his blue line, it flies far up to the sky and stays high for several seconds until falling around the opponent's blue line. It's still a bad pass but it's nothing like giving a quality pass right on the tape of an opponent.


In my opinion, there's a good chance he'll continue improving and it's also possible that he needs the games to be meaningful to get fired up.

 

[FinRanger]

Edit: Gino Reda is a very respected hockey personality in Canada. I doubt he would risk his reputation misquoting Laine.

Ovechkin has 1 assist against Czechs in 2 games and Laine has zero points against Sweden in 2 games. Sweden is better than Czechs. What makes you think Laine can not be as good as Ovechkin is now in 5 years and get 1 assist against Czechs in 2 games. (I am using same logic as you use. Don`t change it now. Let`s analyze these things with it)

 

[Whileee]

I got one word for Laine. Underwhelming. He's playing like a headless chicken against good teams whether it's WHC or this tournament.

Wrong.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

Again, those are referates. I earlier posted an example of a possibility.

To answer your question: Possibly.

Fine. Maybe technically it wasn't a quote since it didn't include a citation to the original source but it was still representation of Laine's personal expression on the subject matter.

And yes, intentional misrepresentation of one's intentions publicly could be illegal, and most definitely is when done for journalistic purposes. More reason to believe Laine actually said the things he is said to have said.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

You just happened to ignore the whole NHL article on Laine which clearly says he hopes to be like his favourite player in 5 years.
But as it doesn't fit to your goal here why bother.

We are literally arguing about which quote is right here.

Gino Reda asked the question in the scrum, that was the quote he got from Laine (Unless you are insinuating someone as experienced as he would misquote Laine and not correct himself).

I have no idea what kind of agenda you are pushing here, but this is arguing over semantics.

 

[ijuka]

Ovechkin has 1 assist against Czechs in 2 games and Laine has zero points against Sweden in 2 games. Sweden is better than Czechs. What makes you think Laine can not be as good as Ovechkin is now in 5 years and get 1 assist against Czechs in 2 games. (I am using same logic as you use. Don`t change it now. Let`s analyze these things with it)

I wouldn't be surprised if Laine got 1 assist vs Czechia in 2 games. Finland had scored 6 goals in 2 games vs Sweden that has world class defense. With everyone having an easier time against the lesser defense(Not a single defenseman in the team would fit Sweden's national team. Not even close. Sweden could form a second defensive lineup and one still wouldn't fit in), I can see it working out alright.


Then again, we could just wait for the actual tournament to begin.

We are literally arguing about which quote is right here.

Gino Reda asked the question in the scrum, that was the quote he got from Laine (Unless you are insinuating someone as experienced as he would misquote Laine and not correct himself).

I have no idea what kind of agenda you are pushing here, but this is arguing over semantics.

Morreale says that Laine said he is a RW. That is the quote he got from Laine too.

Really, without quotation marks it's worthless as far as I'm concerned. He should post a news article with the actual quote if he's confident it's correct.

 

[Whileee]

I hope that Laine says something about how good he hopes to become literally every week. We can post it on HFB and watch everyone have a conniption about it. We need to keep the gong show rolling all season.

 

[ijuka]

I hope that Laine says something about how good he hopes to become literally every week. We can post it on HFB and watch everyone have a conniption about it. We need to keep the gong show rolling all season.

Barkov has also said that he wants to be the best player in the world but of course no one cares about that.

Barkov quote:

"[Laine] can be the world's best LW and I can be the world's best C."

But "may" is better. That quote in that context doesn't really imply "can potentially be" but more like "is allowed to be" or something.

 

[Lempo]

I now question those who hyped Laine so much after the Leafs won the lottery.

I really don't think Leafs winning or not winning the lottery was a factor for the hype.

 

[BB88]

We are literally arguing about which quote is right here.

Gino Reda asked the question in the scrum, that was the quote he got from Laine (Unless you are insinuating someone as experienced as he would misquote Laine and not correct himself).

I have no idea what kind of agenda you are pushing here, but this is arguing over semantics.

Its' from NHL.com article, it's not a tweet.
If you read twitter some were trying to create more drama during combine with Laine, how he said this and that but then you listened his interview which can be seen on youtube it told a very different story.

I've never heard him say he'll be like Ovy, but everyone knows he's his favourite player and he copies some plays from him.

 

[ijuka]

We are literally arguing about which quote is right here.

Gino Reda asked the question in the scrum, that was the quote he got from Laine (Unless you are insinuating someone as experienced as he would misquote Laine and not correct himself).

I have no idea what kind of agenda you are pushing here, but this is arguing over semantics.

What question did he ask? Because that doesn't strike me as an answer to a question. It sounds like a statement. What question would you answer with: "I will equal Ovechkin in 5 years"? Doesn't it sound like unprovoked boasting?

Therefore, would you mind telling me the question asked?

 

[cotopaxi]

We are literally arguing about which quote is right here.

Exactly: A tweet by a TSN reporter, or the actual quote from Laine himself?

 

[Legion34]

I really don't think Leafs winning or not winning the lottery was a factor for the hype.

Nope. But It is the reason why the rest of HF boards has not went bananas over the ridiculous claims that 5-10 ridiculous people have presented.

 

[Lempo]

Nope. But It is the reason why the rest of HF boards has not went bananas over the ridiculous claims that 5-10 ridiculous people have presented.

Maybe they just didn't want to get associated with those who did?

 

[ffh]

the best way to separate everybody here and not fight is to build a wall between Manitoba and Ontario and make Ontario pay for it.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

what question did he ask? Because that doesn't strike me as an answer to a question. It sounds like a statement. What question would you answer with: "i will equal ovechkin in 5 years"? Doesn't it sound like unprovoked boasting?

Therefore, would you mind telling me the question asked?

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[Cor]

the best way to separate everybody here and not fight is to build a wall between Manitoba and Ontario and make Ontario pay for it.

Wynne would probably do it, that's the scary thing

 

[Whileee]

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I wish he'd compared to Kessel and Kadri. That would have been freakin' awesome.

 

[BB88]

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It's so great that you are using twitter instead of an actual article by the NHL.com with a quote from Laine.

 

[cotopaxi]

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You honestly think Laine would've answered that by saying he will equal Ovi in 5 years when he clearly is quoted on nhl.com that he would hope to be as good as Ovi, his favourite player, in five years?

 

[ijuka]

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So he just said that it'd take him 5 years even though it had nothing to do with the question? You're saying when asked "Who would you compare yourself to?", instead of saying "Ovechkin", he'd say "Ovechkin. It'll take me 5 years to become like him"?

Doesn't sound very likely to me.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

You honestly think Laine would've answered that by saying he will equal Ovi in 5 years when he clearly is quoted on nhl.com that he would hope to be as good as Ovi, his favourite player, in five years?

It's so great that you are using twitter instead of an actual article by the NHL.com with a quote from Laine.

You guys do know that its probably from the same scrum right?

And there isn't an actual quote from Laine in the NHL.com article unless i am missing something. All it says is this:

Laine compared himself to Washington Capitals captain Alex Ovechkin, and said he would hope to be as good as his favorite player five years into his NHL career. He compared Matthews to Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews.

From this article: https://www.nhl.com/news/patrik-laine-believes-he-should-be-top-pick/c-280886088

That isn't a quote, unless I am missing something.