LW Patrik Laine (2016, 2nd, WPG) XVI

[psycho_dad*]

I don't know if this has been posted here yet. It's good to see that at least not everyone thinks some of us are crazy

It's Not Crazy to Think Patrik Laine Will Be Better Than Matthews and McDavid
By Adrian Dater , NHL National Columnist Nov 14, 2016

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...aine-will-be-better-than-matthews-and-mcdavid

 

[Gsus]

Teams are not giving him that space, for that one timer. He has had some nice passes but defenses are closing on him immediately.

I know, but as a leftie those passes are easier to make. So you can have the pass faster and the space might still be there to shoot it.

Laine can rip it with his wristers, so no problem there. If you look at the Caps PP, Ovechkin has the lanes to shoot it. But that's probably more because of their multiple passing threats with Bäckström and Kuznetsov. Also Calrson (who is the Buff on their PP) gives the passes usually from closer range or more near the boards than Buff. They can certainly find the space if they are capable of physically doing it.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Re: onetimer...

I think Laine is still not fully utilized in PP, and the main reason is Buff. He takes too many shots when he could pass. He telegraphs all his shots and the chance of them going in right now is way too low, it will have to be deflected by something to go in. I never used to watch Buff much, but from what I have seen he has flashes of greatness (offensively, when he bulls through the right side and protects the puck with one hand on the stick), and a lot of flashes of awful play as well. I was actually surprised how bad he is defensively.

Also, I'd like to see Petan being the playmaker in that PP for a game or two and see how that goes. He is so good at passing, he can actually puncture through a cross ice feed from the RW to the LW. He's the only one of the Jets who consistently gets those passes through. Laine is the second best at that from what I have seen but Petan is the dishmaster of the team. Laine still gets blocked and picked at times when he attempts the crosses, Petan almost never does.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Re: onetimer...

I think Laine is still not fully utilized in PP, and the main reason is Buff.

I mean, look at Laine's goal from the last game. He was wide open in front of the net, but Buff still decides to make the worse play and try a wrap-around. A lot of the time i feel like he wouldn't pass to Laine if his life depended on it.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

I don't know if this has been posted here yet. It's good to see that at least not everyone thinks some of us are crazy

It's Not Crazy to Think Patrik Laine Will Be Better Than Matthews and McDavid
By Adrian Dater , NHL National Columnist Nov 14, 2016

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...aine-will-be-better-than-matthews-and-mcdavid

Huh? The perfect time to make an article like this is when he's leading the rookie class in goals. Riding the hype train like everyone else, generating hits, providing an "edgy opinion". No one but the most die-hard fans actually believe he'll be better than McDavid. Most know Matthews is a stretch as well, but more within the realm of possibility. It's click-bait, in other words.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Huh? The perfect time to make an article like this is when he's leading the rookie class in goals. Riding the hype train like everyone else, generating hits, providing an "edgy opinion". No one but the most die-hard fans actually believe he'll be better than McDavid. Most know Matthews is a stretch as well, but more within the realm of possibility. It's click-bait, in other words.

It is an opinion based on his criteria. And he is entitled to it.

I don't know about the McDavid comparison, but the Matthews case has always been that way and I don't see that changing. "Most know" doesn't mean anything else than "most have the opinion that.." It's not knowledge, it's a guess.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

It is an opinion based on his criteria. And he is entitled to it.

I don't know about the McDavid comparison, but the Matthews case has always been that way and I don't see that changing. "Most know" doesn't mean anything else than "most have the opinion that.." It's not knowledge, it's a guess.

Yes, they're opinions. Opinions are susceptible to being ill-formed, far fetched and proven wrong in time -- which these will. He's a great young prospect. He's definitely not on McDavid's level and he's probably not on Matthews' level. Anything could happen, but an article by a guy who is trying to generate hits by making sensationalist, context ignorant claims based on small sample sizes does not make the opinions held by a loud minority more valid

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I don't know if this has been posted here yet. It's good to see that at least not everyone thinks some of us are crazy

It's Not Crazy to Think Patrik Laine Will Be Better Than Matthews and McDavid
By Adrian Dater , NHL National Columnist Nov 14, 2016

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...aine-will-be-better-than-matthews-and-mcdavid

If the first 18 games of this season are any indication. No it is not a crazy premise at all.

However, for Mcdavid. This would be equal comparables is the max I will go with that. I do see these 2, leading taking the torch from Crosby/Ovie as the next generations best.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Laine is a hell of a player. If he keeps up it, he'll be looking at a Calder.

 

[psycho_dad*]

He's definitely not on McDavid's level

Nope, but that's not what the article suggested anyway. It suggested that he could become better. As in, McDavid is older and already in his second season.

and he's probably not on Matthews' level.

You are correct, he is not on Matthews's level. He's been a level above since U-17 at least. Seems to continue in the NHL too but of course things can change.

making sensationalist, context ignorant claims based on small sample sizes does not make the opinions held by a loud minority more valid

There's nothing sensationalist here. Suggesting something that can be argued with evidence is not sensationalist even if the majority were ignorant of it.

What minority is it that you are talking about anyway?

 

[Booster*]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqWqMpSrT8

Make no mistake, Laine does NOT have the best shot in his draft class!

3 min 50 sec into video.

 

[Gsus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqWqMpSrT8

Make no mistake, Laine does NOT have the best shot in his draft class!

3 min 50 sec into video.

Actually he said that Matthews is the draft's best goal scorer, which is slightly a different thing. But anyways, I don't think Button was right...

No matter how you look at it, Laine has 2x the goals that AM does. Really early, but that was a real bold statement from Button. Laine will score goals that Matthews only dreams about.

 

[psycho_dad*]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqWqMpSrT8

Make no mistake, Laine does NOT have the best shot in his draft class!

3 min 50 sec into video.

He said "best goalscorer" not shooter, and yeah he was wrong just like a lot of NA experts. Sometimes the hype creates an alternate reality that others then adopt. It's easier to go with the flow than question "consensus"

 

[TIGERCOOL]

You are correct, he is not on Matthews's level. He's been a level above since U-17 at least. Seems to continue in the NHL too but of course things can change.

Why do I bother? Lets put Matthews on Scheifele's wing to start his NHL career instead of centering (a much harder position to learn in the NHL) two rookies and see who's leading the all important 15 game points race to start the year. Should I mention that he's generating far more scoring opportunites than Laine despite that inherent, massive disadvantage? Anyway, actions will speak for themselves as sample sizes increase. We'll talk then

 

[BusQuets]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqWqMpSrT8

Make no mistake, Laine does NOT have the best shot in his draft class!

3 min 50 sec into video.

goal scoring =/= best shot

Selanne as a goal scorer >>> Tarasenko as a goal scorer

Selanne's shot <<< Tarasenko's shot

 

[Stompa]

Re: onetimer...

I think Laine is still not fully utilized in PP, and the main reason is Buff. He takes too many shots when he could pass. He telegraphs all his shots and the chance of them going in right now is way too low, it will have to be deflected by something to go in.

The main reason atm is that the whole line has been so bad in PPs the latest games. They had so much problem wih the PP zone entrys and the few times they manage they have hardly been able to establish a PP game in offensive zone at all.

 

[Booster*]

goal scoring =/= best shot

Selanne as a goal scorer >>> Tarasenko as a goal scorer

Selanne's shot <<< Tarasenko's shot

Ok, i get your point, does anyone get Buttons point tho?

Seems so embarrasing for him, sure if some of us Joes here on hfboards say that but... he gets paid (good money i guess?) to analyze hockey. He is paid to know hockey and speak his mind on TV

 

[psycho_dad*]

Ok, i get your point, does anyone get Buttons point tho?

Seems so embarrasing for him, sure if some of us Joes here on hfboards say that but... he gets paid (good money i guess?) to analyze hockey. He is paid to know hockey and speak his mind on TV

If Button was asked today, he would have changed his opinion because now he knows more. It's fine to make mistakes and learn from them, adjusting views when faced with new evidence. Can't fault him for being wrong, majority were. If he wasn't able to adjust his views, then you could argue that he is out to lunch.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Why do I bother?

You really should ask yourself that question. This is a Laine thread and you are expecting people to agree with you when all the evidence is to the contrary, and it's not just evidence from this seasons "small sample size", it's evidence through out their young careers. Numbers so far, age and size speak for Laine. And you're in Laine thread trying to make excuses why Matthews is not doing as good (he is playing with the Leafs two best players this season, no?) and how the sample size getting bigger will definitely favor Matthews. Why would it when it never has so far?

If there was a trend of Matthews outscoring and outperforming Laine and then we'd have this start of the season, you could argue that it's a slump and likely will "normalize" again with bigger sample size. But this IS their normal marching order, what we are seeing now. So the trend has been and still is that Laine is ahead.

Anyway, actions will speak for themselves as sample sizes increase. We'll talk then

Yeah you definitely need to keep that in mind. Sample size so far is like 2-3 years of international tournaments and less than 20 NHL games. Why don't we nail down a point, where the sample size will be big enough for you? What is it going to be? When do we talk? How many more games are needed to have enough information to declare which one is the front runner for the future?

 

[Booster*]

If Button was asked today, he would have changed his opinion because now he knows more. It's fine to make mistakes and learn from them, adjusting views when faced with new evidence. Can't fault him for being wrong, majority were. If he wasn't able to adjust his views, then you could argue that he is out to lunch.

Maybe he should have bothered watching Laine before opening his mouth.

Actually what it might be is because he can´t be that incompetent, must be some marketing agenda because they calculated this draft order would yield the most revenues or something. People underestimate the greed of the fat cats.

Either corrrupt or incompetent: Craig Button

 

[Jackson14]

You can't seriously say Laine isn't at a massive advantage playing wing with the Jets best player centering him vs Matthew's playing centre with 2 rookies. Nylander is good no doubt but Hyman is not.

 

[Slapper]

Why do I bother? Lets put Matthews on Scheifele's wing to start his NHL career instead of centering (a much harder position to learn in the NHL) two rookies and see who's leading the all important 15 game points race to start the year. Should I mention that he's generating far more scoring opportunites than Laine despite that inherent, massive disadvantage? Anyway, actions will speak for themselves as sample sizes increase. We'll talk then

If the only argument you have for '' MATTHEWS > LAINE AINEC '' is that he plays center then seriously dont bother.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

And you're in Laine thread trying to make excuses why Matthews is not doing as good (he is playing with the Leafs two best players this season, no?)

Proof that you haven't watched Matthews play at all. His most regular linemate is Zach Hyman who has registered 3 points in 16 games. He's a 4th line grinder at best.

As for the rest of the nonsense you've spewed (Matthews outscored Laine in his draft year and it wasn't close, and I guess you're choosing to ignore the world cup of hockey)... I don't know how to respond to you. You're so heavily deluded that it's actually a bit sad. You're setting yourself up for a very hard fall. Good luck when it happens. I'd advise you stay away from cliffs and high bridges

 

[Booster*]

You can't seriously say Laine isn't at a massive advantage playing wing with the Jets best player centering him vs Matthew's playing centre with 2 rookies. Nylander is good no doubt but Hyman is not.

Nope, Laine is not centering Laine.

Nylander is much better than Ehlers, amarite?

Babcock has chosen to place Hyman there and keep playing him there, is Babcock a bad coach? Would you do his job better than him, because you sound like you think you know more hockey than Mike Babcock?

Laine can never feast on bottom-lines as teams put their best 5-man unit against his line all the time. You would know this too if you watched any Jets games.

 

[cotopaxi]

Oh no, the leafs fans are back at it