lol how is comparing him to eichel so crazy? connor has every tool to put up the numbers as a tarasenko or kane type winger does. different positions but connor will be an elite player and PPG+ in his prime
LW Kyle Connor - Michigan, NCAA (2015, 17th, WPG)
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Look at Eichel's linemates during his season last year... Good players make those around them better as well. Dan O'Regan and Evan Rodrigues aren't really considered elite line mates. Plus add that in to the fact that Connor is outscoring them by a decent margin and it shouldn't be hard to figure out who drives all the offense on that line.
Edit: I don't think he's at Eichel's level but people seem to try to find every reason to take away from Connor's amazing season (Big 10, "elite" linemates, etc.) when he's leading scoring by a wide margin and his linemates are benefiting from him.
CorgisPer60
Barking at the net
The only thing you've done here is complain about the praise that Connor has been getting while getting offended that people think Connor will win the Hobey Baker over Demko.
I haven't even done that LOL, I mearly said that Connor isn't a shoe in for the Hobey Baker and Jets fan came on the offensive, but nice try.
Also
https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/708852114412457984
and to be fair
https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/708867306932334592
Black Noise
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Kariya had 75 assists though lol
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Connor is also in a weaker division than Demko.
H-East has: Providence (4), Boston College (5), Boston University (9), Notre Dame (10), UMass Lowell (12), Northeastern (19).
BIG 10 has: Michigan (8), Minnesota (16), Penn State (18), Ohio State (23), Wisconsin (41), Michigan State (42).
Romang67
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Yeah, and Connor has played 15 games against teams ranked in the top 21, and has 11 goals and 23 points in those games. Curious cut-off with 15 teams, when increasing those teams to 18 would give another 4 games of sample size, and increasing it to 21 gives us another 8 games.
Though that doesn't fit the agenda of making it appear that Connor just gets points against poor opponents.
In other words, if we look only at the games against teams in the top 21, Connor's P/G is still the best in the NCAA, and his G/G doesn't dip that much, despite only doing this for him and no one else.
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Connor had 0 goals and 2 assists in 3 games against "top 15" teams.
He had 7 goals and 3 assists in 7 games against "top 16" teams.
He had 13 goals and 8 assists in 13 games against "top 20" teams.
His first 2 games against "top 15" teams were early in the season when he was just starting his NCAA freshman year and was playing on the 2nd line.
I agree that Connor's numbers were likely boosted a bit by lower competition, but it's a remarkable pace all things considered.
I'm looking at their schedule and I only see 6 games against Ranked opponents.
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-hockey/sched/mich-m-hockey-sched.html
so where did the other 7 come form?
stokes84
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2013-2014 Boston University went 5-12-3 and were basically a joke. The next season, they add Eichel and go to the National Championship game. He came in and single-handedly turned that team around. Comparing Connor to Eichel is just dumb.
Because Connor doesn't have elite level skill? Have you watched him play? He's fast and has a quick accurate shot, not very strong or gritty, thinks the game well and has above average hands. Mostly he's an opportunistic scorer but has speed off the rush and can cut to the middle on the cycle. The numbers definitely oversell his ability. I'd argue Colin White is a better all-round player, and Boeser is a better offensive player, out of the NCAA.
Romang67
BitterSwede
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/
There, on the "PairWise Rankings", you can see all the teams that are on there. Then you can go ahead and take those rankings and put them into the UMich schedule.
The PairWise rankings was what was referenced in that tweet, and the cutoff just so happened to be just above a team that Connor played four times and had 7 goals against.
Again, curious cut-off point. I'm sure that it doesn't have anything to do with the tweeter wanting it to appear as if Connor doesn't score against good opponents.
In 2012-13 Hellebuyck went 20-3, 6 shutouts, 1.37 GAA, 0.952 save%. Hellebuyck wasn't in the top-10, and a 23-year old 13-goal player named Drew LeBlanc won the HB Award.
In 2013-14, Hellebuyck led the NCAA in save% and GAA, but wasn't in the top-10, even though two other goalies were (Adam Wilcox and Joel Rumpel).
Seems like a weird award to me. Is there some sort of "John Scott" online voting system in place that influences the results?
lmao thanks for the laugh buddy seriously, thats great
doesn't have elite skill he says
i've seen it all boys
Eichel is on another level than Connor. That seems obvious to me. But Connor is having a remarkable season and deserves accolades for it.
MardyBum
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Nah, daring to compare Connor's season to Eichel's season last year in regards to the HB award means you're comparing them as prospects.
Anyways, when do they announce the initial 10 nominees?
Romang67
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CorgisPer60
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Remember the time when someone said that Connor's "slow scoring streak" was in Oct-Nov when he was playing on the 2nd line on his off-wing as a newly minted NCAA player? Remember how someone also said that the majority of their non-conference play was in those months?
As I noted above, I'm not sure how big a deal it would be for him to win the HB Award. It seems that there are some strange selections that don't seem to relate to the quality of a player's performance in a season.
He is having a great season but Eichel did this a full year younger. Quit making comparisons between the two.
Gump Hasek
Spleen Merchant
Am well aware of that, FYI. Yet, at the end of the day, Connor as a freshman scored more goals than did either of Eichel and Kariya when they won the Hobey as freshmen - as stated.
You appear to have missed the point of that post as well.
The poster I was replying to had built up a strawman by essentially claiming that he had to draw the line when people here claimed Connor was better than Eichel - despite that no one was making that claim. So I took the bait and pointed out that they actually do have fairly comparable numbers regardless - given that Connor has the higher NCAA ppg% versus Eichel. Hope that helps.
By why compare Connor and Eichel if Connor was playing NCAA last year then you can compare them. He is a full year older.
CorgisPer60
Barking at the net
*10 months older
And no one is comparing them as prospects - they are comparing their seasons. I've heard not one person say that Connor was on par with Eichel. Get that through your heads, people.
The HB takes into account the player's character - both on and off ice - as well as their school studies and other facets of their school life. It's not a pure hockey award.
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