LW Kyle Connor - Michigan, NCAA (2015, 17th, WPG)

[Whileee]

By why compare Connor and Eichel if Connor was playing NCAA last year then you can compare them. He is a full year older.

Fair point. Better to compare Connor to Michigan alum Larkin.

 

[Whileee]

He is having a great season but Eichel did this a full year younger. Quit making comparisons between the two.

What's wrong with making a comparison that acknowledges that Eichel is clearly superior to Connor?

I merely said that Connor's season should be taken at face value. It's not the same as Eichel's season last year for a variety of reasons, but is impressive nonetheless.

 

[WpgBuffan]

What's wrong with making a comparison that acknowledges that Eichel is clearly superior to Connor?

I merely said that Connor's season should be taken at face value. It's not the same as Eichel's season last year for a variety of reasons, but is impressive nonetheless.

A lot of posts in here are saying that mot only are they the same but better. There was one above saying how Connor is scoring a lot more goals then Eichel did. From what I have read there are a lot of people saying that it is more impressive then Eichel last year.

I think Connor is awesome and his season has been unbelievable this year but every time I see talk about the two it just really irks me.

 

[EpicGingy]

Nobody is saying Connor is more impressive than Eichel as a player, the comparison is in the context of the Hobey Baker. That shouldn't irk you, it's a relevant comparison.

 

[cneely]

A lot of posts in here are saying that mot only are they the same but better. There was one above saying how Connor is scoring a lot more goals then Eichel did. From what I have read there are a lot of people saying that it is more impressive then Eichel last year.

I think Connor is awesome and his season has been unbelievable this year but every time I see talk about the two it just really irks me.

What? Where?

For the record, Connor is putting up points at a better pace, and scoring goals at a better pace then Eichel did last year.
Also, for the record, both players are in their draft +1 season, and if Eichel stayed in the NCAA he would likely be destroying records.

Eichel is a far better prospect, but Connor is no slouch for sure.

 

[WpgBuffan]

Kyle Connor has scored more goals than did either of Kariya or Eichel when they won the Hobey Baker Award as freshmen. Connor has a higher points-per-game average than did Eichel last year. He has also vastly outscored Larkin's pace from last year.

How dare anyone compare Connor to Eichel?

To the post above. Here is one example.

 

[WpgBuffan]

Take away the PP points:

Even-strength
Eichel - 1.05 pts/game (0.42 goals/game)
Connor - 1.24 pts/game (0.62 goals/game)

And here is another.

 

[cneely]

To the post above. Here is one example.

And your read on these is that the poster is saying Connor is the better prospect?

Its a fact that he's producing points at a better rate, not an opinion. Does stating that fact provide any opinion on who is the better prospect?

 

[Jetabre]

So Connor is better than Eichel right?



-Throws logs on the fire-

 

[MardyBum]

To the post above. Here is one example.

And here is another.

So. . . where did they say Connor was better than Eichel?

Where did they even say they were equal.

One poster was mocking the outrage of even thinking about comparing them as prospects, the other was posting stats.

Please don't tell me you think the stats are biased as well?

 

[CorgisPer60]

To the post above. Here is one example.

And here is another.

So comparing one player's season to another player's season is directly comparing them as players and prospects. Got it.

 

[WpgBuffan]

Why compare them thought? one of them is doing this a year older. Jet fans put those stats in there to give them hope that he will come in next year and provide the same impact as Eichel

 

[MardyBum]

Why compare them thought? one of them is doing this a year older. Jet fans put those stats in there to give them hope that he will come in next year and provide the same impact as Eichel

Hope?

Unlike Eichel he won't start off slow and will probably get around 30 goals 30 assists, easily winning the Calder.

There, now someone has said something foolish, so you don't look so ridiculous for making up a narrative that doesn't exist.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Why compare them thought? one of them is doing this a year older. Jet fans put those stats in there to give them hope that he will come in next year and provide the same impact as Eichel

Jets fans put those stats out there in context for the Hobey Baker award. I don't see a single Jets fan in here expecting Connor to come out and play for the Jets like Eichel did in Buffalo this year.

 

[cneely]

Why compare them thought? one of them is doing this a year older. Jet fans put those stats in there to give them hope that he will come in next year and provide the same impact as Eichel

Freshmen in the NCAA rarely do what Connor is doing.
Are Jets fans excited? Hell yes. Do they think he'll be an Eichel level player? Only the most delusional.

 

[Romang67]

Hope?

Unlike Eichel he won't start off slow and will probably get around 30 goals 30 assists, easily winning the Calder.

There, now someone has said something foolish so you don't look so ridiculous for making up a narrative that doesn't exist.

30-30? Ridiculous. He has 30-31 in just 34 games this season. Anything less than 30-40-100 would be a complete disappointment to me!

Why compare them thought? one of them is doing this a year older. Jet fans put those stats in there to give them hope that he will come in next year and provide the same impact as Eichel

Because when talking about how impressive a player's season is, it's a good idea to compare it to something? Also, we were talking about the Hobey Baker, and Jack Eichel won it last season.

 

[janneydraketkachuk]

Why compare them thought? one of them is doing this a year older. Jet fans put those stats in there to give them hope that he will come in next year and provide the same impact as Eichel

Because the conversation is about the hobey baker and naturally the best person to compare stats to in order to determine whether Connor is deserving is the last hb winner, Jack Eichel. In addition they're scoring at almost the same exact rate 1 year apart. They're naturally gonna be compared.


The definition of compare is to Estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between. I'm not sure why this offends you.

 

[TLEH]

i know a lot of people aren't familiar with the NCAA nearly as much as they are the CHL. But the Big 10 is pretty much two good teams and the rest are garbage. Go look at the head to head conference records. Connor is going to be a great player, but comparing two players different ages and different conferences, even though its in the NCAA, is very hard. Players also come and go in the conferences and can be strong conference one year and not the others. Big 10 usually is OK, but Minnesota is having a down year.

 

[Gump Hasek]

To the post above. Here is one example.

Wrong.

Your own post though could serve as a textbook example of taking comments and using them out of their intended context.

 

[lomiller1]

He is having a great season but Eichel did this a full year younger. Quit making comparisons between the two.

Just under 11 months which isn't a full year. The fact that Eichel could have such a fantastic season entering the NCAA as a 17 year old doesn't change the fact that Connor is having a comparable year, and one of the best Freshman years in NCAA history.

The extra things Eichel brings, playing C and starting as a 17 year old ar what make him the second best prospect in the last decade and best US prospect ever, Connor doesn't have to be that to be one of the best prospects not currently playing in the NHL.

 

[Whileee]

And your read on these is that the poster is saying Connor is the better prospect?

Its a fact that he's producing points at a better rate, not an opinion. Does stating that fact provide any opinion on who is the better prospect?

Bingo. I think it's widely acknowledged that Eichel is a much better prospect and his accomplishment in his freshman year was more impressive than Connor's because he was almost a year younger.

There aren't very many other modern-era freshman that are comparable to Connor's. That's probably why people bring up Eichel's freshman year as a benchmark.

 

[thrillhous]

Because Connor doesn't have elite level skill? Have you watched him play? He's fast and has a quick accurate shot, not very strong or gritty, thinks the game well and has above average hands. Mostly he's an opportunistic scorer but has speed off the rush and can cut to the middle on the cycle. The numbers definitely oversell his ability. I'd argue Colin White is a better all-round player, and Boeser is a better offensive player, out of the NCAA.

It is incomprehensible that you would say Connor has average hands. His hands are very impressive. White is a very well-rounded two-way C, not a balls to the wall offensive winger like Connor. Different players and they both do things at an elite level that the other doesn't. Comparing them is not very suitable. Boeser better offensively than Connor though? I strongly disagree. I'm sure you being a Canucks fan has nothing to do with it. Boeser looks like a great scorer but I take Connor over him anytime.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Say what you want about how weak B1G is this year, but that's an awful lot of accolades for one player in one year. That shows how far above his peers he is in the game.

 

[BoneDocUK]

^^^

Meh. When I look at that pix I see average hands. Not too small, not too big, four fingers and a thumb -- average. All the awards and high-falutin' statz in the world don't change that.

J

 

[docbenton]

It is incomprehensible that you would say Connor has average hands. His hands are very impressive. White is a very well-rounded two-way C, not a balls to the wall offensive winger like Connor. Different players and they both do things at an elite level that the other doesn't. Comparing them is not very suitable. Boeser better offensively than Connor though? I strongly disagree. I'm sure you being a Canucks fan has nothing to do with it. Boeser looks like a great scorer but I take Connor over him anytime.

I said above average, meaning for a 1st round pick. Do you have a clip that shows otherwise? And don't show me a saucer pass...

White has the equally good speed and he makes good things happen every shift, I don't see a big dropoff in offensive ability, maybe a little. Boeser needs to improve his skating but has better hands and shot. All 3 have good hockey sense and are good prospects. I've seen them play a fair bit and that's my assessment. I tend to ignore the points at lower levels. Heck even in the NHL I don't think points are a terrific measure of offensive ability.