LW Juraj Slafkovsky - TPS Turku, Liiga (2022, 1st, MTL) Part 2

[Kaako Kappo]

Wow! What a comment! There wouldn’t be any discussions on these boards, if predictions weren’t allowed.

I like to differentiate between a prediction and a "I know this with hundred percent certainty" -statement. I also make predictions and don't think there's anything wrong with making them.

I'll make an argument that you could've said "X will not be an all time great" about most all time greats before they were drafted, and it would have seemed like a safe opinion to have at the time. Which is why stating something like that seems just silly to me. It does not really invoke any sort of discussion, because there's no real reasoning behind it; There can't be, because it's an absurd statement that tries to predict the players entire career at the age of 17 or whatever.

Do you understand my point better now?

All time great = Jagr caliber player, no?

There's no way for me to know that Cooley won't break Gretzky's scoring records, but I am quite comfortable making the claim that he won't.

You're right. There's also no way for me to know if Wright will travel to colonize Mars after his hockey career, but I can make the claim that he won't. Does that make me sounds like an idiot? Yeah, it kind of does.

 

[alko]

Stop comparing him to Jagr.

Never!

 

[Rob Sense]

Looking at these posts it is clear that the lines are drawn...Slak will either be great or not great.

 

[Ippenator]

I like to differentiate between a prediction and a "I know this with hundred percent certainty" -statement. I also make predictions and don't think there's anything wrong with making them.

I'll make an argument that you could've said "X will not be an all time great" about most all time greats before they were drafted, and it would have seemed like a safe opinion to have at the time. Which is why stating something like that seems just silly to me. It does not really invoke any sort of discussion, because there's no real reasoning behind it; There can't be, because it's an absurd statement that tries to predict the players entire career at the age of 17 or whatever.

Do you understand my point better now?


You're right. There's also no way for me to know if Wright will travel to colonize Mars after his hockey career, but I can make the claim that he won't. Does that make me sounds like an idiot? Yeah, it kind of does.

I don’t still see the difference with a prediction and a claim about a young player’s career. They are still predictions both of them. Maybe a difference between the tones, but the main point still stands in both cases. They are just predictions. Why does it matter how sure someone is about a prediction? It’s still just a prediction - even how sure the person might be about what they claim about the future.

 

[Garbageyuk]

No one knows this. But what we do know is he is the one guy in this draft with a ceiling of greatness. Do teams let that slip through their fingers, like done with Jagr?

Cut the shit. Slafkovsky has shown nothing to suggest he’s even sure to be an NHLer. Jagr was a point-per-game player in the top professional men’s league in Czechia as a 17 year old. There is no comparison.

 

[Xirik]

Cut the shit. Slafkovsky has shown nothing to suggest he’s even sure to be an NHLer. Jagr was a point-per-game player in the top professional men’s league in Czechia as a 17 year old. There is no comparison.

except you know... Jagr comparing Slaf to himself

 

[Hisch13r]

except you know... Jagr comparing Slaf to himself

Jagr also said Nichushkin would be the best player in the world.

 

[Xirik]

Jagr also said Nichushkin would be the best player in the world.

Cool random factoid but irrelavant.

 

[Goldenhands]

Cut the shit. Slafkovsky has shown nothing to suggest he’s even sure to be an NHLer. Jagr was a point-per-game player in the top professional men’s league in Czechia as a 17 year old. There is no comparison.

It was 30 yrs ago, pro leagues have changed alot and we dont know what Slaf's offensive production would have looked like in the CZE top league. Jagr had 5 pts in 10 games at the WC in his draft year, Slaf ended up in the top 10 of the competiton in PPG pace. Was also named MVP of the Olympics helping Slovakia to win their first ever medal of that competiton.

Not saying Slaf will be Jagr 2.0, but he sure has all the tools to become a dominant top line PF at the NHL level. His upside is crazy huge.

 

[Hisch13r]

Cool random factoid but irrelavant.

It is relevant. Just because Jagr’s making the comparison doesn’t make it valid. I’m also pretty sure Jagr never said that about Slafkovsky and someone just made it up.

 

[Garbageyuk]

except you know... Jagr comparing Slaf to himself

Yeah that totally changes reality, doesn’t it.

 

[Garbageyuk]

It was 30 yrs ago, pro leagues have changed alot and we dont know what Slaf's offensive production would have looked like in the CZE top league. Jagr had 5 pts in 10 games at the WC in his draft year, Slaf ended up in the top 10 of the competiton in PPG pace. Was also named MVP of the Olympics helping Slovakia to win their first ever medal of that competiton.

Not saying Slaf will be Jagr 2.0, but he sure has all the tools to become a dominant top line PF at the NHL level. His upside is crazy huge.

The only question you need to ask is: if there was a draft eligible prospect playing in the Czech Extraliga this year, putting up a point-per-game, which of the top prospects would you consider taking over him?

Nobody would even be close, and certainly not Slafkovsky, whose numbers in Liiga for players his age are utterly unremarkable, and put him in company with mostly guys who went on to become 3rd liners in the NHL, if anything.

 

[Xirik]

Yeah that totally changes reality, doesn’t it.

Don't know, I was just pointing out that you were factually incorrect stating "There is no comparison"

 

[Garbageyuk]

Cool random factoid but irrelavant.

Very relevant, since you seem to be under the impression that Jagr’s endorsement holds any value or bearing on what these players become.

Don't know, I was just pointing out that you were factually incorrect stating "There is no comparison"

That’s an expression, not always taken literally. If English is not your first language you get a pass though.

 

[kudla]

It is relevant. Just because Jagr’s making the comparison doesn’t make it valid. I’m also pretty sure Jagr never said that about Slafkovsky and someone just made it up.

Jagr said that Slaf reminds him of himself and even wanted him on his team (Kladno)

 

[Eye of Ra]

It is relevant. Just because Jagr’s making the comparison doesn’t make it valid. I’m also pretty sure Jagr never said that about Slafkovsky and someone just made it up.

Do you understand Czech language?

 

[Garbageyuk]

Jagr said that Slaf reminds him of himself and even wanted him on his team (Kladno)

Like the other poster said, Jagr also said Nichushkin would become the best player in the world. How did that turn out?

 

[Eye of Ra]

Like the other poster said, Jagr also said Nichushkin would become the best player in the world. How did that turn out?

Comparing Nichuskin to Slaf is laughable. He never had the skillset that Slaf has.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Comparing Nichuskin to Slaf is laughable. He never had the skillset that Slaf has.

LOL. You’re right. Nichushkin was a better prospect.

 

[Eye of Ra]

LOL. You’re right. Nichushkin was a better prospect.

Slaf have dominated adults in Olympics and World Champions, as a 17 year old. Nichuskin never did that.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Slaf have dominated adults in Olympics and World Champions, as a 17 year old. Nichuskin never did that.

Look at the top scorers at the Olympics and tell me scoring there is indicative of NHL potential lol.

The other tournament was somewhat impressive, but it’s a handful of games.

His time in Liiga holds the most weight, and like I said, utterly unremarkable. He projects as middle-6 forward.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Look at the top scorers at the Olympics and tell me scoring there is indicative of NHL potential lol.

The other tournament was somewhat impressive, but it’s a handful of games.

His time in Liiga holds the most weight, and like I said, utterly unremarkable. He projects as middle-6 forward.

Difference is that Slaf is very young. Wright would never dominate the Olympics and WC like Slaf did.

Slaf is buried in bottom 6 in Liiga because the coach prefer older experianced players.

Not sure why you put more faith in being good vs Juniors as Wright is vs being good vs adults like Slaf is.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Difference is that Slaf is very young. Wright would never dominate the Olympics and WC like Slaf did.

Slaf is buried in bottom 6 in Liiga because the coach prefer older experianced players.

Not sure why you put more faith in being good vs Juniors as Wright is vs being good vs adults like Slaf is.

Where did I say anything about Shane Wright? Wtf.

And since you brought him up, we will never know how he’d do at those tournaments because he didn’t play them.

 

[tmlmatus]

I would love for Slaf to be the next Jagr, but tame your expectations a bit. Jeez.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I would love for Slaf to be the next Jagr, but tame your expectations a bit. Jeez.

People are referring to playing-style not that he will become as good as Jagr ever was. Jagr is one of the best players ever. A realistic comparison for Slaf would be Blake Wheeler.