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LW Jimmy Vesey (2012, 66th, NSH; 2016 UFA, NYR)

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10 to 20 I think. A contending team would love him, cheap ELC and can play in the NHL to start the year. He has very little risk, you are getting an NHL player, who has good upside. Top 10 would probably gamble on more upside.
 
So just for the fun of it are we to assume his numbers this year as a 18 year in his draft year in the NCAA?


With that being said mid 1st round probably.
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If you maintain that he is 22 years old and they can draft him at that age probably the 3rd round.
 
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Boxertim said:
We should wait to hear his side of the story before we judge him. I have had people wrong me, treat me poorly and think that I was too young to notice. I will choose to think that they (Nash) did something like that to him and that he just bided his time to get even.
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We have heard his side of the story. It came out a few days ago.
 
I spend hours on this stuff and a bunch of us were talking about this a few days ago and we slotted him between 10-15 overall but he's ready now; I havent seen a lot of the CHL guys but others have and this was the area but he is also 3 years older this was based on skillset
 
this thread is essentially...

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Breakers said:
So just for the fun of it are we to assume his numbers this year as a 18 year in his draft year in the NCAA?


With that being said mid 1st round probably.
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If you maintain that he is 22 years old and they can draft him at that age probably the 3rd round.
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If he was 18 and putting up those numbers, top 10 at least.
 
Even at his current age he probably goes first round because more is known about him... And I think that's what the question was.

Current age and third round is absolutely laughable.
 
Bonin21 said:
Even at his current age he probably goes first round because more is known about him... And I think that's what the question was.

Current age and third round is absolutely laughable.
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Yeah, he'd be a shoe in to go between 15-30 at his current age (provided teams would hold his rights for at least a year). If you're a playoff team then Vesey is the perfect pick at that point in the draft.
 
Yeah, I asked where Vesey would hypothetically go in the draft merely to get a feel for what proverbial free "bonus pick" Boston, Toronto or any other team would be getting - top 10, a mid first, late first, etc. I realize it's kind of unfair to compare a 22 year old to a 17 or 18 year old kid from the CHL. Anyway, thanks for the responses.

On a side note, I've lurked on this website for years (mostly the Bruins board)and finally posted. This site and Sons of Sam Horn are daily must reads for me. Great website fellas!
 
tmh1968 said:
Yeah, I asked where Vesey would hypothetically go in the draft merely to get a feel for what proverbial free "bonus pick" Boston, Toronto or any other team would be getting - top 10, a mid first, late first, etc. I realize it's kind of unfair to compare a 22 year old to a 17 or 18 year old kid from the CHL. Anyway, thanks for the responses.

On a side note, I've lurked on this website for years (mostly the Bruins board)and finally posted. This site and Sons of Sam Horn are daily must reads for me. Great website fellas!
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I feel you. I think vesey is slightly overrated due to him scoring high NCAA numbers but he only did so as an upperclassman. Most college players will score around a point per game or slightly higher as upperclassmen and never really crack the NHL. Vesey is noticeably over a point per game so I would expect him to be middle 6 but, again, he could only dominate the ncaa when he was one of the older players. Guys like Eichel, Gaudreau, Connor, Boeser, and Gostisbehere have shown the ability to put up big numbers as underclassmen showing that they could develop into much better hockey players.

I think if you look at him as an average middle 6 guy, you're looking at a pick from 10-20. Top 10 you want a top 6 but you'll get middle 6 a lot of the time and won't be disappointed. You just don't draft for a guy to be in your middle 6 when you have a high draft pick.
 
I don't see how Vesey would be picked after #20 or so as the odds a pick after #15 or so even plays 100 NHL games is around 50%. Not to mention the team picking him gets a player who can contribute immediately.
 
The Sweetness said:
I don't see how Vesey would be picked after #20 or so as the odds a pick after #15 or so even plays 100 NHL games is around 50%. Not to mention the team picking him gets a player who can contribute immediately.
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This. I think many of us become enamored with these 17-18 year old players. We see what they could become and we judge them based on that. Vesey was offered the chance to slot right into the top 6 of a playoff team. I am fairly confident that he would go in the range of 10-15. To a bubble team picking up a NHL ready player instead of a prospect that will take 2-3 years (at least) and there is no guarantee that player will ever be better than Vesey.
 
unless nashville gets compensation
this is f 'up
i see nhl teams more and more passing on kids that take college route
with stunts like these

i think that nhl teamsthis has to change
 
hockeey said:
I feel you. I think vesey is slightly overrated due to him scoring high NCAA numbers but he only did so as an upperclassman. Most college players will score around a point per game or slightly higher as upperclassmen and never really crack the NHL. Vesey is noticeably over a point per game so I would expect him to be middle 6 but, again, he could only dominate the ncaa when he was one of the older players. Guys like Eichel, Gaudreau, Connor, Boeser, and Gostisbehere have shown the ability to put up big numbers as underclassmen showing that they could develop into much better hockey players.

I think if you look at him as an average middle 6 guy, you're looking at a pick from 10-20. Top 10 you want a top 6 but you'll get middle 6 a lot of the time and won't be disappointed. You just don't draft for a guy to be in your middle 6 when you have a high draft pick.
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With the exception of Eichel, all those players you named had a very strong supporting cast around them when putting up those big numbers. Vesey did it all by himself. Theres really no one on that Harvard team who will even become a full time AHL'er. Look at who Gaudreau, Connor, Boeser were playing with.
 
Thebesthockey said:
unless nashville gets compensation
this is f 'up
i see nhl teams more and more passing on kids that take college route
with stunts like these

i think that nhl teamsthis has to change
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i've heard this before, yet college players are making up a greater share of NHL players than ever.
 
WaltWhitman said:
i've heard this before, yet college players are making up a greater share of NHL players than ever.
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Think it's about 33%.

Listened to the Hobey Baker announcement on NHL Sirius. Good for Vesey. Not a peep out here about it.
 
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