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LW Jimmy Vesey (2012, 66th, NSH; 2016 UFA, NYR)

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This guy could've easily blown out BOTH knees in his last year of college hockey, and be left with nothing but his Harvard degree to get him by in life.

Instead, he earned his right to play wherever he feels most comfortable.
It's a huge life decision.

Would Nashville be this upset if he blew out his knees? No, but that's the risk he took and that's what he's now entitled to.

I don't like the fact that he allegedly lied to Nashville and whatnot, but sometimes you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette.
 
Fire Sweeney said:
He's a guy who looks semi-decent because he's playing in a nothing league. Complete joke that sports networks are covering this non-event as if it had any meaning.
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Firstly, several scouting agencies have said this guy is one of the better players outside the NHL. I'll trust their opinion.

Secondly, if you think this is a nothing league, you clearly know jack ****.

Jerkini said:
Who was the last good player to do this? Blake Wheeler? He went to the Bruins. Just goes to show you how little these guys want to play in small markets where they willingly choose to forego large sums of money for that freedom.
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Larger markets have lost players this way as well. It goes both ways.

NotOpie said:
My solution would be simple....the team that signed Vesey should have to give Nashville the same type of pick that they used to originally select him (3rd rounder in this case). Maybe it's not totally equitable, but it does provide some recompense for the drafting team and it probably will cost the signing team a bit of a pause.

In the end, it doesn't mess with the kids rights under the CBA and it gives the drafting team a little something for their time and effort.
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If you have to give up a pick from the same round the player was drafted, Mark Jankowski would never see the light of day in the NHL, despite the fact he's a decent prospect and player. No one is giving up a 1st to sign him though.

Also, why should the teams get something if he doesn't sign? Do the players get something if the team elects to not give them an offer?
 
Its starting to feel like we're making more out of this than really should be too. Seems a lot like the Kevin Hayes stuff also. If he turns out to be like Hayes, you're talking about a player who gets about 40 pts/yr. Not some superstar but a serviceable 2nd/3rd line forward.
 
He's probably a 2nd line player best case scenario. Nothing to get worked up about.
 
supermann_98 said:
This guy could've easily blown out BOTH knees in his last year of college hockey, and be left with nothing but his Harvard degree to get him by in life.

Instead, he earned his right to play wherever he feels most comfortable.
It's a huge life decision.

Would Nashville be this upset if he blew out his knees? No, but that's the risk he took and that's what he's now entitled to.

I don't like the fact that he allegedly lied to Nashville and whatnot, but sometimes you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette.
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:laugh:

Sorry, that just made me laugh. I totally see where you're coming from, and I even agree with you. I just think that line is more applicable for every other school in the country.
 
supermann_98 said:
This guy could've easily blown out BOTH knees in his last year of college hockey, and be left with nothing but his Harvard degree to get him by in life.

Instead, he earned his right to play wherever he feels most comfortable.
It's a huge life decision.

Would Nashville be this upset if he blew out his knees? No, but that's the risk he took and that's what he's now entitled to.

I don't like the fact that he allegedly lied to Nashville and whatnot, but sometimes you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette.
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Name me a few other 22 yr old players that earned UFA status without ever playing an NHL game?
I know its legal but this is a punk move.

I dont knock the kid for getting his degree.
But saying he earned this without ever paying any dues in the NHL is wrong.
 
Why2Jay said:
Name me a few other 22 yr old players that earned UFA status without ever playing an NHL game?
I know its legal but this is a punk move.

I dont knock the kid for getting his degree.
But saying he earned this without ever paying any dues in the NHL is wrong.
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Literally anyone drafted (even undrafted) who didn't sign a contract before that age would qualify for UFA. So lots of people.
 
Honestly think the NCAA-NHL rules are beyond stupid.

Really encourages teams to push their prospects toward the CHL.
 
Why2Jay said:
Name me a few other 22 yr old players that earned UFA status without ever playing an NHL game?
I know its legal but this is a punk move.

I dont knock the kid for getting his degree.
But saying he earned this without ever paying any dues in the NHL is wrong.
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The notion that UFA status is earned is kind of a funny one.

I earned UFA status at 22, without even playing junior. Still waiting for a call.

Every single year there are a dozen college prospects that sign into the league as free agents (without playing an NHL game). Vesey happened to have his rights owned by a team he didn't feel like playing for.
 
WillNytheSwedishGuy said:
The notion that UFA status is earned is kind of a funny one.

I earned UFA status at 22, without even playing junior. Still waiting for a call.

Every single year there are a dozen college prospects that sign into the league as free agents (without playing an NHL game). Vesey happened to have his rights owned by a team he didn't feel like playing for.
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You can't really fault Vesey, if anything you fault the system in place.
 
BestPlayerAvailable said:
You can't really fault Vesey, if anything you fault the system in place.
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You can fault Vesey. What stopped him from being honest about his intentions? The systems the problem yes, but if he didnt want to play there he simply could have told them long ago.
 
Why2Jay said:
You can fault Vesey. What stopped him from being honest about his intentions? The systems the problem yes, but if he didnt want to play there he simply could have told them long ago.
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Maybe at the time that Fenton talked to him outside the dressing room he genuinely intended on playing for the Preds, then when the time came to sign, he changed his mind (maybe he decided he wanted to stay in Boston, for example). When I was close to his age I committed to go to one University, later panicked, and opted to go closer to home. I'm not going to scream liar at a kid who waffles while making an important decision.
 
WillNytheSwedishGuy said:
Maybe at the time that Fenton talked to him outside the dressing room he genuinely intended on playing for the Preds, then when the time came to sign, he changed his mind (maybe he decided he wanted to stay in Boston, for example). When I was close to his age I committed to go to one University, later panicked, and opted to go closer to home. I'm not going to scream liar at a kid who waffles while making an important decision.
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I get your point of view and i dont totally disagree. My problem with it is a team losing one of its top prospects for nothing.
I dont think this was a decision that was made last minute. I dont think he waffled. But thats my opinion from the evidence we have all seen. We shall see where he signs and if that confirms my suspicion i guess
 
Why2Jay said:
Name me a few other 22 yr old players that earned UFA status without ever playing an NHL game?
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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122758
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=117198
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107053
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139020

None from college either. I could go on and on, every year there's someone from Europe, the CHL or college signed as a UFA that turns into a solid player and while some ae drafted, most aren't. The ones who were drafted yet turned UFA aren't exclusive to the NCAA however, as shown in two of the above examples given (and both players were UFA before 22, or in other words before Vesey was able to go UFA).

If this is a "punk move" for turning UFA, then there's an awful lot of punks in the NHL.
 
Why2Jay said:
I get your point of view and i dont totally disagree. My problem with it is a team losing one of its top prospects for nothing.
I dont think this was a decision that was made last minute. I dont think he waffled. But thats my opinion from the evidence we have all seen. We shall see where he signs and if that confirms my suspicion i guess
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There is certainly going to be an outcry if he ends up signing for the Leafs, and a justifiable one. I'd save any scorn you want to direct at Vesey until that possibility comes to fruition though. At the moment, all we have is the Preds side of the story, and they've done a pretty great job of hanging the whole episode around the kid's neck. Personally, I'm annoyed with Poile, who for the second time, has come out on the losing side of a negotiation, and then gone public to absolve himself of any blame for it (Suter/Vesey). I'd understand if he came out and assured the Preds fan base that they did absolutely everything they could to sign him, and it just didn't work out ("We want players who want to be Predators"). Instead, he flies off the handle and vengefully throws Vesey under the bus. For someone popularly perceived to be a man of integrity, and whose talent as a general manager is widely acknowledged, I don't know why he feels the need to do this (other than for reasons of reactionary anger). Maybe he knows something we don't (i.e. where Vesey is headed).
 
kingsfan said:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122758
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=117198
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107053
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139020

None from college either. I could go on and on, every year there's someone from Europe, the CHL or college signed as a UFA that turns into a solid player and while some ae drafted, most aren't. The ones who were drafted yet turned UFA aren't exclusive to the NCAA however, as shown in two of the above examples given (and both players were UFA before 22, or in other words before Vesey was able to go UFA).

If this is a "punk move" for turning UFA, then there's an awful lot of punks in the NHL.
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These are all completely different cases. And yes im aware that every year ufa's are signed the circumstances around this case are completely different. Its a punk move if in fact he was dishonest with his intentions to start with. I was responding to the statement that he has earned this right. How did he earn this? By waiting 4 yrs and being dishonest with the organization that drafted him? Sorry but i dont see how that earns him any special rights. Like i said in another thread Eric Lindros didnt want to play for Quebec and he got ripped apart for it. But at least they were able to get a return on there asset. And many people thought Lindros was a punk most of his career for that still. Yet as long as its the NCAA route this is acceptable behavior and he shouldnt be branded the same way??
 
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