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LW Arthur Kaliyev (2019, 33rd, LAK)

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Frolov 6'3 said:
RJ, I am terribly excited about Kaliyev.

I dont think anything we both said is very negative.

Brandon Pirri, that’s basically trolling at this point, yes. I even have a soft spot for Pirri.
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Oh no, I didn't mean to read them as negatives. A guy can only crush the stuff that's in front of him, so I'm not a huge fan of the idea that he's just doing what he's supposed to do and we can't tell anything more until he turns pro, because we all know if he were to slump, he'd be getting lit up for it here. It was happening to Durzi last year, for example. Slumping prior to the trade, people were all over him, suggesting he wasn't a good prospect at all, then after the trade when he lit it up and was valuable in a playoff run, the attitude was "ho hum let's see what he can do at the next level."

In the end, it's a positive that he continues to grow instead of stagnate, particularly now that he's had a taste of the pros in camp and the preseason--looking for him to take an all-around step forward with lessons learned and it seems so far he's done that.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Okay, but Brandon Pirri only played a couple years of Junior A, and wasn't even the leading scorer on his Midget AAA teams. Edit: though he doubled up a teammate one year in Junior A.

I get the sentiment but I don't think that's a good comparable. Kaliyev has done more at the junior level and with little support.

A guy like Toffoli isn't a great skater and he doesn't even have some of Kaliyev's arsenal--and when he's on his game he's a useful player even when he's not scoring (last year nonwithstanding).
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I wasn't necessarily comparing Kaliyev to Pirri. It was more in response to a recent player that PB had just described.
 
Gardner McKay said:
I wasn't necessarily comparing Kaliyev to Pirri. It was more in response to a recent player that PB had just described.
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Gotcha. I just don't see his limitations as keeping him out of the NHL in the same way that's plagued Pirri. But inasmuch as he's a guy whose offensive skillset is balanced by liabilities I understand.
 
honestly don't see why he can't be similar to Laine...Laine is frustrating as hell to watch, loafs for days at a time, doesn't really engage physically/defensively..but when the dude is on he is flat out dominating. to Laine's credit, this year he has come out the gate far more motivated and engaged then ever before, I think his contract negotiations of being purely a one dimensional player might have finally woke him up..Kaliyev could be just like him for those who are concerned with compete/skating, his shot is absolutely sick as well..not exactly Laine, but few others really are in that regard as well..
 
AmericanDream said:
honestly don't see why he can't be similar to Laine...Laine is frustrating as hell to watch, loafs for days at a time, doesn't really engage physically/defensively..but when the dude is on he is flat out dominating. to Laine's credit, this year he has come out the gate far more motivated and engaged then ever before, I think his contract negotiations of being purely a one dimensional player might have finally woke him up..Kaliyev could be just like him for those who are concerned with compete/skating, his shot is absolutely sick as well..not exactly Laine, but few others really are in that regard as well..
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Im not so sure that I’d agree with the Laine comparison. Offensively, I can’t recall games where he coasted. He’s always hungry for points. If he’s not scoring, he’s setting up someone else’s goal. Even with his skating, at times it looks like he’s just coasting around but in reality, I think it let’s him fly under the radar to a degree and he’s always looking for good position. I think the main difference though is that since last year (age 17), he’s understood that he needs to work on his two-way game. He’s said it openly in interviews since last season. He’s also on Hamilton’s PK this season to give him more defensive opportunity, which he’s obviously earned the trust to be on the PK. Some guys have no interest in playing defence. Fortunately, he’s aware and trying to improve on it.
 
13 goals and 11 assists in 11 games and now they are working him on PK? This guy could turn into a hockey player.....
 
I understand the stylistic comparisons to Laine, but to me its the same thing as when as every big center who can skate is compared to Malkin or every good skating and playmaking undersized RH defensemen is compared to Karlsson. I don't like these kinds of comparisons when you have to say that the player is similar, but just a whole lot worse at that area they are similar in style.
 
I’m sticking with my JVR comparison. Big winger who makes his pay check around the net and on the powerplay. If he keeps working away at his skating, defence, and physical play it’ll be interesting to see how he ends up I’m glad he’s putting in the work.
 
AveryStar4Eva said:
I’m sticking with my JVR comparison. Big winger who makes his pay check around the net and on the powerplay. If he keeps working away at his skating, defence, and physical play it’ll be interesting to see how he ends up I’m glad he’s putting in the work.
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While there are some similarities, it's tough to compare a guy with an elite shot (Kaliyev) to a guy with a bad shot (JVR). Kaliyev's shot makes him dangerous from everywhere in the offensive zone, so he doesn't rely on making "his pay check around the net" anywhere close to the level that JVR does.
 
William H Bonney said:
While there are some similarities, it's tough to compare a guy with an elite shot (Kaliyev) to a guy with a bad shot (JVR). Kaliyev's shot makes him dangerous from everywhere in the offensive zone, so he doesn't rely on making "his pay check around the net" anywhere close to the level that JVR does.
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I agree. JVR's pure sniping ability is nothing like this kid.

Honestly, and this is going to sound silly right now, but scoring ability, size and style... he reminds me a ton of Dany Heatley.
 
14 goals, 25 points in only 12 games played this year. Leading the OHL in goals scored to this point.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I understand the stylistic comparisons to Laine, but to me its the same thing as when as every big center who can skate is compared to Malkin or every good skating and playmaking undersized RH defensemen is compared to Karlsson. I don't like these kinds of comparisons when you have to say that the player is similar, but just a whole lot worse at that area they are similar in style.
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I probably didn't do good enough with explaining my Laine comp..

I am not saying pound for pound these are similar players, if anything they have similar FLAWS. Why I bring Laine up is he always leaves you wanting more, because you damn well know he has it in him. Laine is a better skater than Kaliyev, his shot a bit better as well, but my entire point was if you just look at Laine as a young kid, maybe a bit awkward as well with interviews/pictures/etc....it takes some players more times than others to mature or just deal with the spotlight. Kaliyev has some of that in him too..

People are calling Kaliyev lazy - disinterested- not motivated/compete level low, etc etc..guess what? That same stuff has been said about Laine as well since he got to the NHL..Laine floated a lot out there, his compete level was low, he rarely if ever back checked..but he was a 20 year old sniper that loves to be on the offensive side of things...sounds a lot like Kaliyev to me.

My whole point with Kaliyev is sometimes it isn't about the things you don't do well enough but the things that you do well enough that will get him here..especially when that thing he does well enough is be a goal scoring tyrannosaurus.. Laine is a perfect example Kaliyev should use for himself..Laine has changed a lot this year, he has been far more engaged then ever before - he knows where the defensive side of the ice is..these things are all growth and very possible for any player that wants it. If the KIngs just use some patience with Kaliyev, understand he is a different breed as most snipers are...I think they will get rewarded like the Jets have been this year with Laine.
 
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Boxscore said:
I agree. JVR's pure sniping ability is nothing like this kid.

Honestly, and this is going to sound silly right now, but scoring ability, size and style... he reminds me a ton of Dany Heatley.
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Wild Heatley or Sharks Heatley, or Thrashers/Sens Heater? There's a difference. Outside of the shot which Heatley's to me is up a bar from Kaliyev's, I'm not seeing it. Still an interesting prospect though.
 
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