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LW Arthur Kaliyev (2019, 33rd, LAK)

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From what I heard and read he was a terrible interview. I also heard he has major social anxiety issues. If LA can get those issues straightened out they may have got a hell of a steal.
 
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Garnet76 said:
From what I heard and read he was a terrible interview. I also heard he has major social anxiety issues. If LA can get those issues straightened out they may have got a hell of a steal.
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Do they need to? A hockey player is paid to play hockey, not interview. A hockey player doesn't need to be very social as long as they can do their job.

Let's say he has autism or whatever, is that really an issue?
 
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Understand your point but I dont think you understand how crippling anxiety can be. It's a health issue and a risk to clubs picking him. I'm pulling for the guy and I hope he battles through and becomes a NHL player.
 
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Did he do it by the time he was 21? Because if a hockey player doesn't have pro-level work ethic at that point, he's extremely likely to wash out. It's not like other jobs where you can just dive in as an adult; every single year of training is important. and they all build on each other.
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Yes, he had given up drinking and was excelling in undergraduate studies by the time he was 21.
 
ijuka said:
Do they need to? A hockey player is paid to play hockey, not interview. A hockey player doesn't need to be very social as long as they can do their job.

Let's say he has autism or whatever, is that really an issue?
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If someone has major social anxiety they may not be particularly coachable, which affects the ability to try and get Kaliyev to improve in areas he is lacking (most notably shift to shift effort). There is a big gap between being an introvert and having extreme social anxiety. I haven't heard that about Kaliyev, so I don't know if he does.

Now, it can be overcome. One of the better pitchers in baseball (Zach Grienke) the past decade has significant social anxiety issues. He overcame them, but not after he almost completely quit the sport as he was an ascending prospect.
 
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ijuka said:
Do they need to? A hockey player is paid to play hockey, not interview. A hockey player doesn't need to be very social as long as they can do their job.

Let's say he has autism or whatever, is that really an issue?
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Hard to coach a player you can't communicate with. So yes it would be an issue.
 
Feedback for a player from sources who actually coached him or at least seen him play and develop is more telling than spreading rumors of why he fell.

“Artie’s got a skill that, for me, is as unique as I’ve ever seen,” said coach Dave Matsos. “He’s 17 years old…he’s young. He’s got the heart and the approach of a 15-year-old, which is kinda cool. Artie’s ceiling is so high. When this guy matures physically and mentally – the guy just continues to score, that’s what he does.”

“His 60-foot game in the ‘O’ zone is amazing,” Matsos said. “We’re trying to get him to play that 60-foot game in the neutral zone and that 60-foot game in the ‘D’ zone and he’s responding. And it’s not affecting his stats. He’s starting to get into bodies, he’s starting to block shots, he’s starting to get on the penalty kill; he’s doing so many amazi
ng things.”
Sharpshooting Arthur Kaliyev is just getting started in Hamilton - TheHockeyNews


Steve Staios admits he's biased but, geez, the 17-year-old is a really good player who's improved in every area this past year. Yet here he was, sitting and watching a parade of picks pass by him on the way to their dream moment.

Opinion | Scott Radley: Everyone knew Arthur Kaliyev was getting selected in the first round. Then he wasn’t
 
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It's just that I haven't heard about any incidents with him such as missing practice, fighting with Team mates, talking back to coaches, or tantrums in general. All I've heard is positives from his coaches about his attitude.

I would like to think that NHL teams are smarter and more informed than me, however. Maybe it's not his demeanor at all but just his game on the ice that caused concern. Time will tell, but goal scoring is the single most valuable skill in hockey. If you can get a sniper who can score 30+ goals per year, you do it.
 
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Fascinating commentary from the director of Kings' scouting here.

Again, there’s a reason he fell. A guy gets 102 points, I think he was the youngest or second-youngest ever in that league to do it, and that’s a league that puts guys in the NHL. So, he doesn’t fall by accident. It’s not like 31 teams just forgot about him. And he knows it. These are 17-year-old kids, and at a certain point in the draft, the risk and the reward balance, and then at a certain point in the draft the reward trumps the risk. We thought obviously at 33, that’s where the reward trumps the risk. Again, I see things in there sometimes that say character concerns. There are zero character concerns. There are consistency and compete concerns, but that’s completely different from character concerns. Sometimes people lump character and compete into the same grouping and use them interchangeably – it’s not. With him, our view is he’s a 17-year-old kid that sometimes acts like a 14-year-old kid. He’s not going to be the first one who does that and he’s not going to be the last. So, our view is, when he matures, those perceived things that pushed him down get fixed – and then, look at our development staff. Our development staff has taken everyone they’ve gotten and matured them. I can think of two kids we couldn’t get to in the time I’ve been here. Guys can make it or don’t make it, but our development staff, literally, there were only two kids they couldn’t convert in character, so you give ‘em a guy like Kaliyev, I’m not sure we’ve ever put a guy with that kind of talent [with the development staff] since I’ve been here. So, for me, that reward I think and hope will pay off.
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ijuka said:
Do they need to? A hockey player is paid to play hockey, not interview. A hockey player doesn't need to be very social as long as they can do their job.

Let's say he has autism or whatever, is that really an issue?
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Yes, as much as we can all wish it wasn’t an issue, it absolutely is an issue. Are you seriously asking or just trying to look noble?
 
Garnet76 said:
From what I heard and read he was a terrible interview. I also heard he has major social anxiety issues. If LA can get those issues straightened out they may have got a hell of a steal.
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Is that from a legit source or just from someone diagnosing him from the combine interview posted earlier in this thread?
 
Is it a negative in todays society to be socially awkward and/or introverted? And doubly so as a hockey professional?
 
Garnet76 said:
From what I heard and read he was a terrible interview. I also heard he has major social anxiety issues. If LA can get those issues straightened out they may have got a hell of a steal.
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ijuka said:
Do they need to? A hockey player is paid to play hockey, not interview. A hockey player doesn't need to be very social as long as they can do their job.

Let's say he has autism or whatever, is that really an issue?
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As someone who has extreme anxiety & very mild autism, i admit i saw maybe a tiny bit of myself in watching Kaliyev at the draft(his mannerism, eyes, nerviousness etc) but that doesn't mean he has social anxiety or aspergers. If i were to imagine what someone with Aspergers(mild autism) would be like as a hockey player well i think i'd be narrowly focused on one area of the game such as scoring goals and not as focused on defense/skating.
There a few advantages someone with Aspergers would have in hockey: May have super high tolerance for pain, may be unaware they have an injury. Could eventually develop a intimidating effect, meaning if someone on other team disrespects a player with aspergers they might go Tim Wilson on them if they feel triggered. Being super focused on one area of the game means they could master it at a very high level such as scoring a lot of goals.
When someone with anxiety plays a extremely active sport like hockey all that exercise creates endorphins in the body which help fight off anxiety & stress, thus Hockey is better for anxiety than Baseball for example.

Anyways someone like that would benefit from being drafted in the 2nd round over the 1st, less pressure in living up to where they were drafted.
 
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